Bush no friend of labor!

[Gofish]

I Hate Freight...methinks you missed your calling as a grade school grammar teacher...how is Beagle treating you these days?

 

[I Hate Freight]

He's considered anti-union for what he did to the PATCO guys...

You mean for what the PATCO guys did to themselves. It was clearly and absolutely illegal for them to strike. They did anyway. Reagan said you have 72 hours to get back to work or you will be fired. They didn't return and he fired them. Amen. Unions are not above the law.

 

[I Hate Freight]

I Hate Freight...methinks you missed your calling as a grade school grammar teacher...how is Beagle treating you these days?

Not with writing like that! Lol. Having a blast at Beagle. I don't know why everyone complains so much. It's a great place to work.

 

[400pilot]

"The 3 percent overall federal tax rate I would pay -- if a Berkshire dividend were to be tax free -- seems a bit light," Buffett wrote.

Dividends are not tax free.....Buffit pays 15% on them....unless he cheats. Incidently, rich pay 15%...middle class and lower brackets pay 5% on dividends. Get off the MoveOn.org site and do your own reseach.....

 

[pkober]

Here's another example of the "pro" union democrats. Apparently Nancy Pelosi thinks unions are great unless they try to organize in the winery she is part owner.

http://www.goofigure.com/UserGoofigureDetail.asp?gooID=5738

She also got a labor award from Hugo Chavez. Enough said.

CLAMBAKE

 

[cabana #2]

Listen up, a - hole coolaide drinking chapawidick sociailist's...
Yes bush is not a friend of labor but that is one issue. I would rather back a leader who is trying to protect us rather than someone who gets blow jobs in the oval office and can not make a decesion without consulting polls.
Vote dem and get palosi as your speaker... come on you are better than that...............................

 

[pkober]

Correction on the Hugo Chavez award. Cesar Chavez award. Either way she still gets awards from unions while she, a labor loving Dem, owns businesses which won't allow unions.

I say it doesn't matter which party. They both support labor only when it help there cause, aka re-election.

 

[PCL_128]

I say it doesn't matter which party. They both support labor only when it help there cause, aka re-election.

Actually, the Dems don't even do that. They don't actually support labor at all; they just say they do and all of the lemmings believe the hype. Truth be told, both parties are useless to labor. The Republicans despise labor, and the Dems just don't give a $*%& about us. Either way, we get no help. Best to vote on other issues, because no politician of either party is ever going to be pro-labor.

 

[nwaredtail]

HMMMM, a blow job in the oval office, record stock market returns, peace, vs. a economy in shambles, falsely going to war, creating a civil war in Iraq, a wife who killed someone when she was a teenager, tripling the deficit in 4 years. Yup, who's the as-wipe?

 

[pkober]

Time to move this thread.

 

[starvingredtail]

HMMMM, a blow job in the oval office, record stock market returns, peace, vs. a economy in shambles, falsely going to war, creating a civil war in Iraq, a wife who killed someone when she was a teenager, tripling the deficit in 4 years. Yup, who's the as-wipe?

The stock market is at or near its all time high now, how is the economy in a shambles? (of course in the minds of libs it is--NYT think) Falsely going to war has been dispelled a long time ago--just read the current flap about the yellowcake in nigeria. Civil war in Iraq? Who is to say that is bad? We had one. Its important that the side that wants freedom wins. Whos side are you on? You want immediate results. They are not going to happen. This is going to take awhile. A wife who killed someone???? Did she use arsenic or a sharp knife? No, you neglect to mention she was 17 years old, and ran a stop sign at night. You never did that I am sure, but sadly, she did and on the night she made a mistake, it killed someone. Are you sure you don't write for the enquirer? On the deficit, all I can say is security costs money. Who's the as$ wipe? You are.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

HMMMM, a blow job in the oval office, record stock market returns, peace, vs. a economy in shambles, falsely going to war, creating a civil war in Iraq, a wife who killed someone when she was a teenager, tripling the deficit in 4 years. Yup, who's the as-wipe?

Sorry NWA, someone's personal life directly effects their work life. If NWA CEO did the same thing as Clinton think NWA employees and stock holders would be demanding his/her resignation. Of course if you're a sports figure then it doesn't matter. I am at peace with Mrs. Bush's wreck involving a fatality afterall Sen. Ted K. did it and no one cared - even tried to cover it up.

Back to thread topic. Bush is no friend of labor but neither are the Dems. NAFTA anyone? Hear about the super highway being built from Mexico to Canada? The politicians are at peace.

 

[81Horse]

... If NWA CEO did the same thing as Clinton think NWA employees and stock holders would be demanding his/her resignation. ...

Oh, yes -- please!

 

[stonewall]

HMMMM, a blow job in the oval office, record stock market returns, peace, vs. a economy in shambles, falsely going to war, creating a civil war in Iraq, a wife who killed someone when she was a teenager, tripling the deficit in 4 years. Yup, who's the as-wipe?

Peace? I seem to remember deploying to Iraq AND Kosovo during Clinton's years. Peace with AQ you mean? Well, I guess only one side was at war during the Clinton years. Next time a guy punches me in the face at a bar, I'm going to walk away and say to myself "yup, there was no fight back there...none at all...no hostilities, not one bit...nope, peace in my time here at the bar...." Wake up.

 

[joevollers]

You mean for what the PATCO guys did to themselves. It was clearly and absolutely illegal for them to strike. They did anyway. Reagan said you have 72 hours to get back to work or you will be fired. They didn't return and he fired them. Amen. Unions are not above the law.

Wow....see the forest through the trees man... Question why some things are illegal and others aren't not merely whether they were or weren't..

Labor (and the middle class) is on the slide in this country..

 

[joevollers]

These issues are bigger than Dems or the GOP Guys.. They both will Keep us down if need be...the Dems will just pretend to empathize while the GOP truly doesn't give a S%^t

 

[Benhuntn]

redtail I won't deny that the stocks were good. But the leaders of many companys saw bill getting a pass for his criminal activity and decided to give it a try for themselves. Ariba, tyco, worldcom, enron, global crossing and others. This all started under bill and was processecuted under Bush. He had to clean up more than one of bill's messes when he came to office.

 

[joevollers]

redtail I won't deny that the stocks were good. But the leaders of many companys saw bill getting a pass for his criminal activity and decided to give it a try for themselves. Ariba, tyco, worldcom, enron, global crossing and others. This all started under bill and was processecuted under Bush. He had to clean up more than one of bill's messes when he came to office.

That's right... all of the political corruption in this country is one party's fault..

No .. It's not the upper classes' war on the middle class.... And I hate to inform you unless you got an eight figure portfolio... you ain't uppper class.. it ain't even about a tax cut to the upper brackets... it's about the policies that willl keep the middle class afloat in this country

Huntn'...you are currently in a fortunate position with a great carrier...I wish you well.. SWA's continued success will be good for CBA's industry wide...but the trend of the wage slide are Corporation VS Labor (us pilots) mirrored throughout America... believe me Bush Ain't routing for labor..At least he also doesn't pretend(as much as the Dems) that he cares.

An interesting article..

Devaluing Labor




By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, August 30, 2006; Page A19

Labor Day is almost upon us, and like some of my fellow graybeards, I can, if I concentrate, actually remember what it was that this holiday once celebrated. Something about America being the land of broadly shared prosperity. Something about America being the first nation in human history that had a middle-class majority, where parents had every reason to think their children would fare even better than they had.
The young may be understandably incredulous, but the Great Compression, as economists call it, was the single most important social fact in our country in the decades after World War II. From 1947 through 1973, American productivity rose by a whopping 104 percent, and median family income rose by the very same 104 percent. More Americans bought homes and new cars and sent their kids to college than ever before. In ways more difficult to quantify, the mass prosperity fostered a generosity of spirit: The civil rights revolution and the Marshall Plan both emanated from an America in which most people were imbued with a sense of economic security.

That America is as dead as the dodo. Ours is the age of the Great Upward Redistribution. The median hourly wage for Americans has declined by 2 percent since 2003, though productivity has been rising handsomely. Last year, according to figures released just yesterday by the Census Bureau, wages for men declined by 1.8 percent and for women by 1.3 percent.
As a remarkable story by Steven Greenhouse and David Leonhardt in Monday's New York Times makes abundantly clear, wages and salaries now make up the lowest share of gross domestic product since 1947, when the government began measuring such things. Corporate profits, by contrast, have risen to their highest share of the GDP since the mid-'60s -- a gain that has come chiefly at the expense of American workers.
Don't take my word for it. According to a report by Goldman Sachs economists, "the most important contributor to higher profit margins over the past five years has been a decline in labor's share of national income."
As the Times story notes, the share of GDP going to profits is also at near-record highs in Western Europe and Japan.
Clearly, globalization has weakened the power of workers and begun to erode the egalitarian policies of the New Deal and social democracy that characterized the advanced industrial world in the second half of the 20th century.
For those who profit from this redistribution, there's something comforting in being able to attribute this shift to the vast, impersonal forces of globalization. The stagnant incomes of most Americans can be depicted as the inevitable outcome of events over which we have no control, like the shifting of tectonic plates.
Problem is, the declining power of the American workforce antedates the integration of China and India into the global labor pool by several decades. Since 1973 productivity gains have outpaced median family income by 3 to 1. Clearly, the war of American employers on unions, which began around that time, is also substantially responsible for the decoupling of increased corporate revenue from employees' paychecks.
But finger a corporation for exploiting its workers and you're trafficking in class warfare. Of late a number of my fellow pundits have charged that Democratic politicians concerned about the further expansion of Wal-Mart are simply pandering to unions. Wal-Mart offers low prices and jobs to economically depressed communities, they argue. What's wrong with that?
Were that all that Wal-Mart did, of course, the answer would be "nothing." But as business writer Barry Lynn demonstrated in a brilliant essay in the July issue of Harper's, Wal-Mart also exploits its position as the biggest retailer in human history -- 20 percent of all retail transactions in the United States take place at Wal-Marts, Lynn wrote -- to drive down wages and benefits all across the economy. The living standards of supermarket workers have been diminished in the process, but Wal-Mart's reach extends into manufacturing and shipping as well. Thousands of workers have been let go at Kraft, Lynn shows, due to the economies that Wal-Mart forced on the company. Of Wal-Mart's 10 top suppliers in 1994, four have filed bankruptcies.
For the bottom 90 percent of the American workforce, work just doesn't pay, or provide security, as it used to.
Devaluing labor is the very essence of our economy. I know that airlines are a particularly embattled industry, but my eye was recently caught by a story on Mesaba Airlines, an affiliate of Northwest, where the starting annual salary for pilots is $21,000 a year, and where the company is seeking a pay cut of 19 percent. Maybe Mesaba's plan is to have its pilots hit up passengers for tips.
Labor Day is almost upon us. What a joke

 

[80drvr]

Mr. Bush and Labor Day
Workers aren't benefiting from growth.
Monday, September 4, 2006; Page A18

EMERGING FROM a meeting with his economic team at Camp David on Aug. 18, President Bush declared that "solid economic growth is creating real benefits for American workers and families." This assertion was false. Mr. Bush should use this Labor Day to rethink his rhetoric and adjust his policies.

The latest evidence on what the economy is doing for workers comes from last week's Census Bureau report. This showed that the growth cycle that began at the end of 2001 has in fact created remarkably few benefits for most Americans. Between 2001 and 2005 the income of the typical, or median, household actually fell by 0.5 percent after accounting for inflation, even as workers' productivity grew by 14 percent.

The picture is hardly any better if you consider 2005 alone. Workers' pay usually takes a while to pick up after a recession: In the first stage of a recovery, unemployment falls; in the second stage, a tight labor market pushes up wages. But this second stage is taking an awfully long time to arrive. In 2005, the fourth year of the expansion, the median income did rise slightly, but that reflected a gain for retirees. The typical full-time worker continued to fall backward.

Since 1980 the wages of the typical worker have tended to decline during bad times and recoup the losses during good ones, with the overall result that they've been stagnant. That stagnation, which contrasted with rapid gains for workers at the top, was bad enough. But the recent phenomenon of wages falling even during good times is disturbing and exceptional. In the first four years of the last expansion, from 1991 to 1995, median income rose 2.9 percent; in the two upswings before that, the first four years delivered gains of more than 8 percent. So whereas past presidents could declare that a rising tide lifted all boats, Mr. Bush cannot honestly do so.

The current growth cycle has also failed to dent poverty. In fact, between 2001 and 2005, the poverty rate rose from 11.7 percent to 12.6 percent. Again, this is exceptional: In the previous five economic cycles, the poverty rate fell during the first four years of the recovery. Moreover, 5.4 percent of the population now occupies the ranks of the extremely poor, with incomes less than half the poverty line. That's the highest rate of deep poverty since 1997.

In a speech at Columbia University on Aug. 1, Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. rightly acknowledged that "amid this country's strong economic expansion, many Americans simply aren't feeling the benefits." Mr. Paulson needs to explain this point to Mr. Bush, who appears to see things differently. But beyond a change of language, the president needs to understand that his tax and spending policies must do more than target growth. If policies do not take inequality into account, the majority of Americans won't benefit from economic expansion -- and popular support for free trade and other pro-growth ideas will continue to deteriorate.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Forget the party. Support the politician who has a history of supporting Air Line Pilots.

 

[Benhuntn]

I strongly support term limits. It should be law! Then we would eliminate most of the lobbist and the politicians would actually have to listen to their constituants (sp).
Bush by the ways has not ended any of the NLRB ammendments made by Clinton. So if what Bill did was good for labor the policies are still in place.

 

[pilotyip]

Lobbying OK

We need lobbyist; it is an important part of the US Political system. I belong to a number of special interest groups, to include AOPA, EAA, Clean Water, Reserve Officers Association, AFA, Naval Reserve Association, and a couple more I can not think of right now. These guys stand up for what I consider important in my life. Like keeping my local airport open, ensuring my retirement benefits are secure, etc. Without they’re working for me I may not be properly represented in DC.

 

[Benhuntn]

MOAA AFA AOPA EAA are not lobby groups they are groups that serve other purposes and lobby. If you go down to 14th st in DC you will see the offices of lobby groups. People who are employed for no other purpose than to pay for trips to congressmen and women for the sole pupose of influencing their decisions on votes. Big difference from an organization that offers life/car insurance crusises, and a voice in congress. Until lobbist are gone we (the people) will have no say in what our reps. do or say in voting.

I worked with many of these people frequently in my last job. There are bad ones on both sides. They seem to get more corupte the longer they are there. Term limits would eliminate that problem. (like a post office in WVA that is empty and has no roads to it. Or a bridge to nowhere) just to site an example from both parties.

 

[joevollers]

MOAA AFA AOPA EAA are not lobby groups they are groups that serve other purposes and lobby. If you go down to 14th st in DC you will see the offices of lobby groups. People who are employed for no other purpose than to pay for trips to congressmen and women for the sole pupose of influencing their decisions on votes. Big difference from an organization that offers life/car insurance crusises, and a voice in congress. Until lobbist are gone we (the people) will have no say in what our reps. do or say in voting.

I worked with many of these people frequently in my last job. There are bad ones on both sides. They seem to get more corupte the longer they are there. Term limits would eliminate that problem. (like a post office in WVA that is empty and has no roads to it. Or a bridge to nowhere) just to site an example from both parties.

AMEN!

 

[pilotyip]

Watch out what you ask for, there is a down side to term limits. Michigan has term limits. So all of the pros who knew how to get things done, have been replaced with pol's that have not quite figured out how to make it work. You might think having a gov't that can not do anything is a good deal, but look at the mess Michigan is in as an example of a gov't that can not do anything.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

What we need are honorable people with leadership capabilities and "smarts". We sorely lack honorable people in all aspects of leadership: government, business, military (have a better chance than the two forementioned)...you get the picture.