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Hi Everyone,

I thought I would post this article about the so called "search firms" that promise to get you a job. While this may not specifically happen in aviation, many of you may have spouses or friends that you would like to forward this to so they may read it. There is an email link in the article to the right side.

When my clients ask about using search firms, I tell them when they first contact a recruiter, they need to ask whether the fee is "paid by the employer." If the answer is no, they need to politely thank the person for their time and move on.

This article targets one of the most notorious of the "take your money and never deliver" crowd - Bernard Haldane. They usually have the ads in all the local Sunday newspapers that say they have $100,000+ jobs. They have no job listings at all.

I belong to a specific recruiter network that works in just about every industry. If you, as a pilot, are looking for something in aviation, I would suggest going to Janice Barden's website www.apiaviation.com She hires specifically for corporate jobs and her process is very thorough. Expect to write a biography about your life and take a personality assessment. However, she gets the top listings for corporate flight departments.

Kathy

Bum Job Leads


By Carole Fleck

June 2004

Doug Binks lost his job at a Chicago-area dot-com in 2001 when he was 53. The economy was faltering, and Binks was feeling "very nervous" about his chances of getting a new job.

So he dipped into his savings and paid a $12,500 fee to sign up with Bernard Haldane Associates, a job-placement franchise with offices throughout the United States. Binks says recruiters at Haldane assured him they could help double his earnings through their exclusive job listings.

"They entice you by saying they had access to high-paying jobs, access to job markets no one else has access to [and] an exclusive set of headhunters," says Binks. "None of it turned out to be true. In terms of them providing me with leads, nothing. Zero."

Hundreds of unemployed job seekers like Binks have complained to state and federal consumer agencies in recent years that they were cheated out of thousands of dollars by career placement firms that required them to pay up front for services that were never delivered.

Many consumers also said recruiters promised them high-paying jobs that were only available through their agencies but failed to provide anything more than guidance on how to write a résumé and prepare for job interviews. Some complained their recruiters sent them job leads that didn't match their skills.

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan filed consumer fraud charges against Haldane and Illinois-based Career Management Inc. in October after receiving hundreds of complaints. She accused them of deceiving clients to get advance fees.

Kansas Attorney General Carla Stovall also took legal action against Haldane after receiving nearly 500 complaints beginning in 2001.

Liz Vogel, speaking for New York-based Haldane, says that new measures have been put into place recently to respond to the complaints, and that pilot programs and initiatives "are being tested as we speak" in some Haldane offices. In Doug Binks' case, Haldane refunded about a third of his fee after he threatened to take them to court.

Sheila Adkins of the Council of Better Business Bureaus, which logged more than 1,000 complaints last year involving job placement services, says consumers should ask how long a business has been in existence—and what the company's success rate has been for placing clients in jobs.

"No one can guarantee they'll get you a job in your field," Adkins says. "If someone promises you a job with a specific income, that's a red flag."
 
ThomasR said:
I get hit up by recruiters all the time. They all make big promises but when it comes around to the money issue I tell them "You get me the job and I'll give you a percentage of my first months salary." That's when the conversation ends.:)


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There is a difference between a true recruiter and a scam artist. The firms mentioned in the article are the latter. I work with recruiters all the time that are legitimate and their fees are paid by the employer. It speaks volumes about a company when they will pay a fee to find a good candidate - generally it means they are stable and are not going to let you go anytime soon.

Kathy
 
Another bobbysamd PFT scourge post

Could P-F-T be regarded as a bum job lead?

Any place which requires a person to pay for training as a condition of employment certainly sounds like a bum lead to me - but that only may be me. Just like various headhunters and employment agencies which entice you in for a certain job, which, curiously, is always "filled" by the time you come in to interview.

Good post, Kathy.
 
Kathy,

You are talking about Executive Recruiting firms or "headhunters" which are retained by corporations in much the same way they retain lawyers. Executives move through the upper branches of the forest. The multitudes of placement agency you find in the yellow pages are what you refered to as "scam artists."

I have seen execs. come and go for a variety of reasons and I never got the impression there was any kind of stability in the motivation to replace a VP or department head. Sometimes a change in one companies corporate structure will spawn a change in others. Sometimes the suites play hard ball with the competition and sometimes it is one big vacation.

Sometimes I see you in my minds eye and you look very becoming when you are involved in things thought provoking. Sometimes I have to look away or risk being embarrassed. :)
 

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