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[Hoot R. Hunter]

Two ex-AWA pilots found guilty in Miami. Immediately remanded to jail pending pre-sentencing bail motions.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

they'll make scapegoats out of the two, but I agree with the verdict

drinking and driving/flying don't mix

 

[pipejockey]

Now why don't they do this for people who drive drunk? Driving drunk is more dangerous than flying these new planes today...600 feet, autopilot on! Where was ALPA on this? Jail is pretty harsh when people have multiple drinking and driving offenses and whats the worst that happens to them for putting my loved ones lives on the road at risk? They get their licenses taken away for a little while....big deal. And they drive without the license anyway.

 

[Flybwoy]

LOL. What a bunch of clowns. I hope they throw the book at these idiots!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

So are we going to drop the Federal Penalties and give them back their Certificates and their jobs?

Under our Constitution you can only be punished once for the same crime.

Or are we ignoring our nation's Constitution in an effort to advance an eager prosecutor's political career?

Old folks don't like airplane noise. How long until we have local TFR's that fall under the authority of local jurisdictions eager to get into the regulation of aviation?

This has really been a world is going to hell in a handbasket afternoon.

 

[zonker]

LOL. What a bunch of clowns. I hope they throw the book at these idiots!!

Speaking of clowns and idiots...

 

[ivauir]

Under our Constitution you can only be punished once for the same crime.

Believe it or not this is not technically accurate; the same sovereign can only try you once for a given crime. But different sovereigns (like state and fed) can (and will) go after you for the same crime. For example, often military members are tried for a crime (DUI is a great example) by the local authorities and then when that trial is complete the military shows up with UCMJ. Oh, the wonderful things you learn as an executive officer. It appears that our constitution is intact. Usually, the feds don't get involved unless it is a military member, but becasue the crime involves intra state travel I agree that the Feds should have handled this in its entirety. Oh well, I think justice has been served, those who think the punishment is harsh compared to how we handle DUIs remember that we get paid more than cab drivers for a reason, we have an awsum responsability.

My prayers are with the famililies. If in doubt CALL IN SICK.

 

[Dog Driver]

Believe it or not this is not technically accurate; the same sovereign can only try you once for a given crime. But different sovereigns (like state and fed) can (and will) go after you for the same crime. For example, often military members are tried for a crime (DUI is a great example) by the local authorities and then when that trial is complete the military shows up with UCMJ. Oh, the wonderful things you learn as an executive officer. It appears that our constitution is intact. Usually, the feds don't get involved unless it is a military member, but becasue the crime involves intra state travel I agree that the Feds should have handled this in its entirety. Oh well, I think justice has been served, those who think the punishment is harsh compared to how we handle DUIs remember that we get paid more than cab drivers for a reason, we have an awsum responsability.

My prayers are with the famililies. If in doubt CALL IN SICK.

military and civilian law are not the same. You give up a lot of rights when you join the military... the right to go home is one I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[ivauir]

military and civilian law are not the same. You give up a lot of rights when you join the military... the right to go home is one I can think of off the top of my head.

True, but my point is that you CAN be prosecuted for the same offense twice, just not by the same entity. The feds and states are not the same entity, and yes I think the feds should have handeled this. I am just pointing out that we are not in the midst of a constitutional crisis.

 

[Dog Driver]

True, but my point is that you CAN be prosecuted for the same offense twice, just not by the same entity. The feds and states are not the same entity, and yes I think the feds should have handeled this. I am just pointing out that we are not in the midst of a constitutional crisis.

Didn't a couple of Spanish say that when the 'inquisition' started ?? It all starts with a little nibble here, a little nibble there ... before you know it, you ate the whole thing.

Generally, when you see local and state govenments go after someone, it is for different, related charges that might have originated from the same crime. Example; Drug possession, trafficing, crossing state lines with intent to distribute, endangerment (you had a kid in the car), and the big one ..... failure to report income on your taxes .... the one that finally got Capone. You get the idea ... the one crime was divided up into 'sub-crimes'. Not really double jepardy.... close, but not. That is what happened here.

The intent of double jepardy is to keep someone in government from carring out a personal vandeta. To keep harassing someone that was found inoccent until they run out of will (read money) and ultimetly get convicted.

I agree that the fed's should have done this. These guys where WRONG. But rules are rules ... for both the pilots AND the government.