Bought a c-150

[crazynut52]

<div class="bbWrapper">yeah, an old fastback straight tail. Low time (3200TT) with 320 SMOH, so hopefully it will be a good bird to build some time in, so I can get my commercial and CFI, &amp; hopefully someday I can get paid to fly instead of paying to fly.<br /> <br /> I guess this flying thing sure takes time... a slow process building hours and experience.</div>

 

[NYCPilot]

<div class="bbWrapper">Cool.<br /> Have fun with it. I wish I owned an airplane.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;re looking to do the Comm. and CFI, those are gonna require a complex aircraft.</div>

 

[Goose Egg]

<div class="bbWrapper">Oh yeah. Paying to fly sucks. I&#039;m never doing that again!<br /> <br /> -Goose</div>

 

[crazynut52]

<div class="bbWrapper">Can you or can you not use a multiengine for the complex portions of your COMM and CFI? My flight instructor has an apache, which I got my multi in, but doesnt have another complex.</div>

 

[wnplt]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Yes</b><br /> <br /> Back when I got my commercial I did it in a Cessna 150. Basically when you get your Multi have your commercial written already taken and make sure you meet the comm. standards. Advise the examiner of your intentions, he or she shall be able to give you a comm multi checkride. Then all you have to do is the required maneuvers in the 150 to add the comm ASEL privileges.</div>

 

[cessnaxdriver]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="crazynut52" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> crazynut52 said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Can you or can you not use a multiengine for the complex portions of your COMM and CFI? My flight instructor has an apache, which I got my multi in, but doesnt have another complex. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> If you have your multi, then you can you for the complex portion of your commercial</div>

 

[fokkers&beer]

<div class="bbWrapper">Thats exactly how I built a couple of hundered hours, and finished a couple of ratings, in a &#039;59 model, #54 off of the assembly line to be exact. <br /> I loved that little airplane, infact my wife liked that one better than our 182 we own now.</div>

 

[NYCPilot]

<div class="bbWrapper">Commercial Checkride<br /> <br /> Although a lot of people do the entire ride in a complex, technically you could do all of the maneuvers in the 150 and just the performance landings in a complex single.</div>

 

[crazynut52]

<div class="bbWrapper">so I heard a yes that I can use the apache for the complex portion of my commerical, how about the CFI?? Can I use a twin for the complex portion of that?</div>

 

[bell47]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="NYCPilot" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> NYCPilot said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Cool.<br /> Have fun with it. I wish I owned an airplane.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;re looking to do the Comm. and CFI, those are gonna require a complex aircraft. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> You can own one, I&#039;ll sell you my &#039;69 c-150J, with a fresh annual. I did most of my instument training in it and kept it as a play toy. $18000/OBO. It&#039;s not instrument cert. anymore but could be easily.</div>

 

[av8rbama]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="crazynut52" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> crazynut52 said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> so I heard a yes that I can use the apache for the complex portion of my commerical, how about the CFI?? Can I use a twin for the complex portion of that? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> If you are appropriately rated in said aircraft (AMEL), you can. The only requirement on the checkride is to show &quot;complexity.&quot; This straight from the DPE that did my CFI. Did the maneuvers in a CAP 172 and my boss let me fly our 210 for the complex portion.<br /> <br /> However, if the FSDO does your initial CFI, be prepared for more scrutiny especially if you do it with 2 separate aircraft (this also from the same DPE).</div>

 

[mcjohn]

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[LearLove]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="crazynut52" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> crazynut52 said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> yeah, an old fastback straight tail. Low time (3200TT) with 320 SMOH, so hopefully it will be a good bird to build some time in, so I can get my commercial and CFI, &amp; hopefully someday I can get paid to fly instead of paying to fly.<br /> <br /> I guess this flying thing sure takes time... a slow process building hours and experience. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> Congrats on becoming an aircraft owner. I wish I was. I&#039;m about a 12 to 18 months away from buying a 150 or 152. I want to pay cash so I don&#039;t have a payment so I need to save alittle more. For now I rent a 152 about 2 or 3 times per month.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m a closet 150/152 fan. Love flying around to local airports in them. Someday maybe an RV-8A but for now a 150 that I can afford to get out and fly often is what my commuter pilot pay can do.</div>

 

[EMBATP]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>152</b><br /> <br /> i have been kicking this idea around lately also...how do you guys do it?<br /> do you put money away everytime you fly?<br /> do you borrow money for major mx or overhauls? <br /> what is the true cost per month before you turn the key?<br /> <br /> thanks</div>

 

[GravityHater]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="EMBATP" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> EMBATP said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> i have been kicking this idea around lately also...how do you guys do it?<br /> do you put money away everytime you fly? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>No most live like the rest of the US population, &#039;what is saving?&#039; &#039;what is planning for an emergency?&#039; &#039;what is thinking ahead?&#039; !!!<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> do you borrow money for major mx or overhauls? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>That is not impossible and could be justified for a business or maybe if you think of it as part of your training expenses, and the cost of getting a career.<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> what is the true cost per month before you turn the key? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Highly variable depending on what you end up with and where you live of course.<br /> <br /> I have heard recent quotes of $100 to 200 per hour for a low to mid level complex airplane (25yo Boner, Moonpie, 210) all inclusive operating costs (from fuel and oil to maintenance to hangar and insurance to reserves for radios paint and engine, but no purchase price) assuming you don&#039;t get stuck with a lemon or have $800/mo hangar and fly 100-200hrs per year. My math is not great but that looks to me about $22500 per year on average.<br /> I bet you could do it for half that if you get a Tripacer C150, Stinson etc.</div>

 

[DaveJ]

<div class="bbWrapper">I went through the exercise to figure out the cost of my Arrow over the past 20 years. Insurance, maintenance, two engine overhauls, two paint jobs, avionics, tiedown, etc. worked out to $110/hour for 75-100 of flying hours per year.</div>

 

[cforst513]

<div class="bbWrapper">i&#039;m doing my commercial initial as multi and doing the single add-on in a regular 172</div>

 

[LearLove]

<div class="bbWrapper">My estimate on 150 costs (not hard but good ballpark):based on 10 hours/month flying.<br /> <br /> MX and eng reserve = 20/hr<br /> fuel = 4/gal<br /> burn = 6gal/hr<br /> <br /> I plan to buy one without taking a loan so no payment if factored:<br /> <br /> NO Hangar - will use outside tiedown and have canvas cover.<br /> <br /> tiedown (Philly area) - $80<br /> fuel = 10X6X4=$240<br /> MX = 20X10=$200<br /> total = 520/month or $52/hr - (I pay 77/hr for the 152 I rent at this time.)<br /> <br /> MX at 200 per month is 2400 per year for anual, basic needs and $$$ in the bank for eng. overhaul. I figure on buying a mid time engine 150 so at 100 hours per year it will be about 10 years until the engine needs and overhaul (crossing fingers). If I can keep the anual and other MX to $750-$1500 per year I&#039;ll save about $1000 per year to put away for the overhaul by the time it needs it. <br /> <br /> O sh!t I forgot insurance, If I remember correctly I was quoted about 2 years ago at 750 for the year. 750/12= 63<br /> 63+520 = 585 or about 60 bucks per hour to own my 150. <br /> <br /> Not to bad for a hobby/excuse to hang with your local airport friends/bums. My other hobby is cycling and I usually spend about 150/month on that. A good day is ride to the airport, hang out, fly with friends to get something to eat, fly back, ride home and toss something on the grill.</div>