Boeing Machinist much smarter than Boeing pilots

luckytohaveajob

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Strikes are the only weapon against management which management understands.

The right to strike is paramount in union labor relations. Without it we are just all talk. The machinist tested Boeing's resolve.

Unity is not a slogan, it is action. And the actions of pilots taking others jobs, talking up managements agenda, and defending nothing is pathetic.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081102/boeing.html
 

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It certainly helps to strike a profitable company that won't go Chapter 11 and nullify all union gains.
 

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It also helps that the machinists don't have to operate under the RLA.
 

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It also helps that the machinists don't have to operate under the RLA.
Absolutely correct. As long as the we're stuck with labor rules designed for railroads in the 1900's, we're basicly screwed.
 

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excuses, excuses.

when a janitor makes more than you what will you be saying then. oh, i forgot, janitors do make more than 90 seat RJ pilots and five year legacy FO's.

but at least you have those big gold wings on your chest and an oversized gold watch.

free health insurance, free benefits, a retirement plan based on something other than the luck of compound interest, are all elements of janitorial pay pilots do not enjoy.

excuses, excuses, excuses.

if the company will go out of business it doesn't deserve to be in business. if the government won't allow it then the government is against its labor force.

Janitors at Boeing make more than Boeing captains. I remember hearing about people who cleaned the machines at Ford who made over $80k a year.

Pilots are worthless.
 

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Not worthless. Just gutless. There are too many pilots out there willing to take your job for less pay/benefits.

As long as the Virgins of the world can get Airbus Captains for $95 an hour every other airline manager will try to match.
 

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Not worthless. Just gutless. There are too many pilots out there willing to take your job for less pay/benefits.

As long as the Virgins of the world can get Airbus Captains for $95 an hour every other airline manager will try to match.
agreed.

there is no hope for this back stabbing lot.
 

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if the company will go out of business it doesn't deserve to be in business.
As long as pilots continue to foster poor management practices via pay/benefit cuts, they can expect to be exploited like Child Prostitutes over in Asia.
 

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Heyas,

As long as pilots and other airline employees are crippled by the RLA, you won't see any improvement.

The fact that the train doesn't stop when the contract expires is huge. There is NO motivation for management to negotiate, and we all know the big stick is all they understand.

First the contract becomes amendable
Then you negotiate. It fails
Then you apply for mediation
Then you negotiate some more, that fails
Then you have to convince the mediators that an impass exists.
Then they have to offer arbitration.
Then you wait 30 days.
Then the president stokes a pen, declares a PEB and you have to wait 60 days.
THEN you can strike, but congress can impose a contract.

The legal teams at each airline are MASTERS at stringing along each step of the process.

If ALPA-PAC and the other lobby groups want to do ANY good, get pilots OUT from under the RLA. When the train stops, people talk, and contracts happen.

Nu
 

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I kind of like the crew leasing business model, one doesn't work one minute past the contract due date without a new agreement in place and the salary rates seem to hold better over the entire market.

Although I realize that it is only better when there is high demand and short supply:D
 
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Airline employees need to talk to the New York transit workers who flipped a big middle finger to the Taylor Law (which prohibits New York public employees from striking) and a state supreme court justice and walked off the job.
 
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if the company will go out of business it doesn't deserve to be in business. if the government won't allow it then the government is against its labor force.
The current administration is unabashedly anti-labor. If airline pilots have a weakness it's supporting politicians who don't support us.
 

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The current administration is unabashedly anti-labor. If airline pilots have a weakness it's supporting politicians who don't support us.
What did Clinton do to change the RLA during his 8 years?
 

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What did Clinton do to change the RLA during his 8 years?
Get rid of RLA isn't going to make any difference, please meet Taft-Hartley. Even given free reign to strike as long as you wanted isn't going to make a difference for the first couple of airlines. Though once 2-3 go bust from strikes it will no doubt empower the 30% of pilots still working to gain better wages. The airline industry suffers from an over supply of pilots which is what keeps wages low, nothing else.
 

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Airline employees need to talk to the New York transit workers who flipped a big middle finger to the Taylor Law (which prohibits New York public employees from striking) and a state supreme court justice and walked off the job.
Unionism was not built on legal actions. Unionism was legalized as a measure to contain unions. And it has worked.

Since we are so legitimate we are are now powerless and as corrupt as the government. I don't want law abiding union leaders. They produce nothing.
 

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not trying to flame. the boeing machinists have more leverage than just about anyone in aviation with the exception of airbus.
 
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