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rvsm410

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Edited for the benefit of those working at BMA....they have enough on there plate, Obviously this was a big misunderstanding or something, (right!) in any case I dont have the job I thought I had, what makes matters horriblly worse is I turned down 2 jobs I had offers with for these bozo'z ....

There is not point in further discussion of this event....thanks to those folks here and at BMA that supported my efforts... Mr. A has a lot of Karma building up....look out for this SOC manager down the road....I have his card if anyone would like to apply!!!!

I found out he "just decided to hire someone else"...he has fogotten people know each other in this business, and we all talk, it's pretty easy to put the puzzle together to get the real picture.....
 
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Screw the SOC manager... you should tell us all his name so we don't deal with him when and wherever he goes. You have to understand that it's not the "kids" fault that they hired him.
 
I am not happy about all this, but I am not going to sink to the same sorry ethical depths they have by posting his name. In reality it's my fault for making this choice, I was warned!
 
You may be happier with a good corporate dispatch job than going airline. A dispatch job with a good quality corporate operation will beat a 121 job in a lot of ways. I know it's a corporate dispatch jobs are not that common and consequently hard to get, but maybe a fractional job would be good experience. Jeppessen also seem to be looking for trip planners frequently.

Good Luck and hang in there!
 
Concider yourself lucky, do you have any idea what they did to their piot group? We received a lettter from our MEC and CPO removing them from our jumpseat list completely and describing the screw job guys got over there!
 
Dispatch guy can you

believe this kind of crap...you have been around allot, have you been walked on to this extent????cost you a job?

Some friend of mine at IA told me some one there was offered the job the same day I told I had the job....I guess he just found someone he like more or was cutier...Geez this burns my A$$
 
RVSM410:

As I have said before on this subject, you are not missing anything at BMA. They are doomed to fail or always be at the bottom of the mold ladder.

Trust me, you are better off without BMA. I know, trust me. Me and dozens of other pilots, mechs, FAs, office types, etc.
 
Hey RVSM 410
I found one of your postings under "Dispatcher Airing personal issue pls be kind".
Do you really have all these issues? Then why blaming the company for not hiring you in first place...Could you explain???
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rvsm410
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Aircraft Experience: PA & C-whatevers, Working in dark a room filled with Monitors and working with crazy people!
Flight Experience: Civilian
Ratings: Dispatch, GA SEL/Inst Pilot
Current Position: looking for 121 DX Job, Again!
Total Time: 3815 Dispatcher Airing personal issue pls be kind.

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SlickAir....

What issues......a disability is not suppose to be an issue at all.....read the Americans with disabilities act if you have any further questions about it...I am perfectly capable of working behind a desk.....or at least trying...

SO are you trying to help, or trying to demean the situation....since this is your first post, it looks like your with BMA management...or HR......thanks for the compassion pal...
 
I dont want to pry, but is your disability something visible or easily identified by an employer? If so and you realllly want to work for BMA (or at least screw them in court) you may consider contacting an employment attorney. Explain your situation and that you were offed a job, accepted it, and were later told they hired someone else instead. If they can't show a legitimate reason why that person was more qualified for the job you may have a case.

Either way, dont let this get to you too much. Most likely the BMA fiasco is nothing to do with you, just their inept way of doing business. As you are aware nobody has ever posted anything good about them on here.

I spent three years trying to get back into aviation before finally making it. It can be a long road and a depressing one at times, but if you hang in there and are persistent it will pay off eventually. If you havent already you may consider trying some of the bigger charter operators down there in Florida. I'm sure some of them use dispatchers. It wont be the best job going, but it will be a start and it will open doors.
 
You say that there is no more flight planning business; and even though you worked gratis there.

Are there NO records from this business; no references that can attest your being there; no bank records, no bankers, attorneys, corporate minutes, partnership agreements - NOTHING? If not, then for all the airline knows, and in this post 9/11 world, you and bubba got along very well each night in Cell Block C of the Podunk Prison; cant blame them.

If those records do exist, and you have access to them, show those to the airline. How about a customer, can they attest that you were there, or a contractor, or a vendor. All they care about is that you truly were doing that position, and not being Bubba's love sponge in prison, and that they can show a continuous line of non-prison time....
 
No my disability is not visable, I just cant go run a marathon...I am not going to persue anything with anyone...As to Dispatch Guy...Yes there are all kinds of records to prove business, vendors, bills, bank statements fellow dispatchers that funded the business...none of this was asked for, I just got shot down, with another lame excuse....Plus I have no criminal record....

My professional record speaks for itself, I have had alot of interviews, however since most of the pay is low and commuting is tough for dispatchers, I decided to stay in Florida which limits alot of opprotunities, I thought BMA would be a good start.....it alright though....

I am done...really, thanks for the suggestions, believe me these things have all been rode hard already with those concerned.. I am just going to surrender my license so I cant torment myself anymore...
 
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rvsm,


By "...surrender my license..." do you mean give it back to the feds ? If so, how about just sleeping on that for a couple of months and then looking at things again ?
 
I am just going to surrender my license so I cant torment myself anymore...

A new and fresh start may do you a little good. You only get one life so why not explore different areas that may be of interest to you. No reason to move due to a job opportunity that will not make you happy or content. A buddy recently got hired on with ExpressJet and is now flying for peanuts and chump change. He now realizes you can't support a family with a small child or live any sort of "decent" lifestyle unless you live with mommy and daddy!. . If only people knew what they were getting themselves into.

good luck,

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rvsm410 said:
I am done...really, thanks for the suggestions, believe me these things have all been rode hard already with those concerned.. I am just going to surrender my license so I cant torment myself anymore...


Quit...its just the easiest thing to do. Its just one more open position for someone who really wants it. Quit you nagging and join Dr. Phils website!!
 
Nagging? Turn the channel then...

Boy, I hope you never have to go through health issue like many have in this business, ya know, loose your ability to fly, maybe even work at a young age..Good bless you, you have to be young to express yourself this way...Quit has never been in my personality, but it gets tough fighting city hall..

And Dr. Phil said I should ignor people like you...see ya!

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Quit...its just the easiest thing to do. Its just one more open position for someone who really wants it. Quit you nagging and join Dr. Phils website!!
 
rvsm410 said:
Boy, I hope you never have to go through health issue like many have in this business, ya know, loose your ability to fly, maybe even work at a young age..Good bless you, you have to be young to express yourself this way...Quit has never been in my personality, but it gets tough fighting city hall..

And Dr. Phil said I should ignor people like you...see ya!


So you and the "doc" have discussed these issues. Which show were you on so I can paint a face to all these words you've expressed. i think you said bye once before..........chance are you'll be back for another rebuttal. See ya soon!!!!
 
For everyones info "rvsm has plenty of time to answer all of our questions", a personal message from him: "I have unfinished business here, and now that I am not going to work, I'll have pleanty of time to be here just to piss you off..."
 
The jury is in, the truth comes out.

In regards to my experience with BMA: I have been close contact with employees at BMA before and after my interview and hiring, as well as in contact with the other cadidates that were being interviewed with me. All of us have contacted each other over the past week, filling in the missing pieces of this troubled puzzle.

1st Fact, Was I hired or not? This point was never in doubt by the BMA employees, I was congratulated on a successful interview and welcomed to the team by 2 people people that are in or around the hiring/ interview loop the night I was offerd and accepted the job from the SOC Manager A.S ....Further I was in communication with a BMA Dispatcher the next day regarding the upcomming Jeppesen change-over training at the end of the month and other New Hampshire details.

2nd FAct: The other Applicant is a current dispatcher at a troubled IAD airline, and did not know if he/she would accept the job however remembered our conversation (after our joint interview in SFB) that I had accepted the job and was turning down 2 other companies when I got home, and was very surprised to hear what happened.
This same person told me, and was later verified by another Dx at the same airline, that another dispatcher there had come forward to the BMA SOC mgr. the day after My job acceptance, and asked if a job slot was still open. This person has alot of DX experience and very senior, but wanted to change, and was actively looking for Florida DX work at Airtran and other carriers.
According to my BMA sources, The BMA Mgr A.S. was so excited to have this person show the company interest that he offered this person the job on the phone. The BMA folks thought this was going to be my new SFB co-worker as they were only hiring 2 people here and I had already accepted the 1st slot!

3 Fact: When I called BMA the following Monday to discuss the training dates, I was told by the soc MGR A.S. that I was supposed to call him on Friday to accept the job....This lame idea of an excuse was an obviouse fabrication to cover up the fact that he had ihired this other person on Friday after he had hired me on Thursday, this was all he could do....The BMA source even went and questioned the SOC Mgr. as to his reasons and intent to not hire me, that person was told to butt out, and that he (the SOC mGr A S.) just decided to do it this way. It was meet with bitter conversation, but his word stood as the SOC Mgr when it came to that departments hiring...

4th Fact: I called the HR rep for BMA Friday Morning and asked what and why this was happening, he was as suprised as I was to learn of this from me, as we had already discussed the full gambit and details of the benefits package, right down to the costs and coverages...Not something someone would do if they were not sure that they were not hired!

5th Fact: Several former BMA pilots right here on this board have told me, and I have confirmed the information on the public web site, that the SFB airport authority is seeking to place a lien on al the BMA/PanAm assets at the airport, including the PAnAm flt school sims, and any aircraft on the property to cover what is described as "several hundred thousand dollars" in past duew money.
This is where they are setting up the new SOC Offices in with MX control and the hanger at SFB....

Final comment on the matter: All the curent employees and new hires all know with verifiable sources and emails, that I was screwed over for another person, though be it this person has more experience than I do, never the less the actions of this SOC manger reflects the morale and ethical values of himself and the company, which goes to speak of the companies current finacial status at SFB and many other airport that they owe money too.

The comments from some on this thread are questionable at best noting the newness of there membership here, another source at BMA says it probably is the SOC MGR trying to make me look bad...I have nothing to loose, as I said beofe I am no longer seeking aviation employment, but I still believe this type of management needs to be exposed. It's obviouse that the now former PanAm pilots got screwed over as well by shady tactics of this management at BMA...it does not look like they are finished yet, just hiding under another certificate...

Good luck to those that attempt to work for this guy and those like him, just be warned....
 
Due Diligence

Deal with it; you knew this place was a scum pond; yet youinterviewedanyway; either you failed to do a due diligence check (justdo a searchon here, and you'll see that they are hardly a respectableoutfit -justlook at the treatment of their pilots) to see if they arescum; astheyappear to be; or you did a due diligence check, but yet youdecided toignore the results; that the place is scum.

I wouldnt care if I lived within a 2 minute walk from where I lived; they hardly live up to the honor of their name.

Plus, I thought you gave up altogether, and were going to return your certificate back to the FAA.

I dont want an airline job so bad to where I would work for a disreputable (a relative term) airline...

Plus, as an "AT WILL" employee, you are there subject to both yourwill, and the will of the employer; they can fire you, or not bring youaboard, for nearly anything they want to. I doubt you signed anemployment contract binding you to BMA for any length of time.
 
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Just as I was expecting, only jerks making fun....I'm over it, the time has come to put this industry behind me...good luck to you all....Tango Uniform

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I thought you were done here!!!
 

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