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barnyard
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barnyard said:
Barnyard,
Isn't that our good friend The Gaut's picture of him being off 100 feet on altitude and climbing? LOL!!
I also noticed you updated your profile to reflect his resume. CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even after a few days since the slaughter, I still laugh a lot about this. Just hope they bring back the thread!
-See ya
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Capt_robert
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newshooterxprss
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5 Pilots left in 3 weeks. The best advice you wll ever receive....Stay away!!! That place is bad news. If you like PR, check out Eagle, Fina Air, or Caribbean Sun, all reputable air carriers based in PR currently hiring. Check out previous posts for all the dirt on this place. Better adivce, ask a Pan Am furloughee what he thinks of BMA for a true perspective.
BMA
Yeah well just to let you know,
I have had two friends hired get through the ground training and sim and then get totally snuffed by the company. Luckily they were able to find some real jobs rather quickly. PCL and Shuttle AM.
They fly into my home KGON and regularly have empty aircraft coming and going, or sometimes at most one pax one way, I dont know how they can stay afloat running at such low capacities. Just FYI. But good luck what ever you decide.
Yeah well just to let you know,
I have had two friends hired get through the ground training and sim and then get totally snuffed by the company. Luckily they were able to find some real jobs rather quickly. PCL and Shuttle AM.
They fly into my home KGON and regularly have empty aircraft coming and going, or sometimes at most one pax one way, I dont know how they can stay afloat running at such low capacities. Just FYI. But good luck what ever you decide.
cargoflyr69
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newshooterxprss
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Shuttle's decision to pull out of a market that has 60 percent plus loads consistently doesn't make much sense, but I heard the same thing. Don't fret I am sure BMA will find a way to screw up a good market, they usually do.
Answer to your question, I have firends as well that were in that class and after giving 4 months of their lives and hard work unpaid to the company and finishing thier rides, they were furloughed with only an explanation that the company made a 5 million dollar financial "error". The guys I know were lucky enough to move onto new carriers.
In any case some BMA J31 guys might be asked to go to 727 school and "cross the line" soon. I hope they make the right decision, but I am sure some will not. The industry and especially ALPA members should keep a good eye on who those individuals are. Nuthin' like firing and getting rid of ALPA pilots to put non-union lower wage far less qualified pilots in their seats under a new certificate number. (BMA Pan Am Clipper Connection and Pan American Airways share the same hangar and offices in PSM and are owned by the same holding company, and run by the same man who broke the union at his Railroad whereby breaking the Railway Labor Act) Some may say you're not a scab unless you physically cross a line.... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck....IT's A DUCK! Perhaps if the only thing left to call a duck a duck is a physical line up of Pan Am furloughees then maybe that line needs to be formed in Florida.
As I said...Stay away.
Answer to your question, I have firends as well that were in that class and after giving 4 months of their lives and hard work unpaid to the company and finishing thier rides, they were furloughed with only an explanation that the company made a 5 million dollar financial "error". The guys I know were lucky enough to move onto new carriers.
In any case some BMA J31 guys might be asked to go to 727 school and "cross the line" soon. I hope they make the right decision, but I am sure some will not. The industry and especially ALPA members should keep a good eye on who those individuals are. Nuthin' like firing and getting rid of ALPA pilots to put non-union lower wage far less qualified pilots in their seats under a new certificate number. (BMA Pan Am Clipper Connection and Pan American Airways share the same hangar and offices in PSM and are owned by the same holding company, and run by the same man who broke the union at his Railroad whereby breaking the Railway Labor Act) Some may say you're not a scab unless you physically cross a line.... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck....IT's A DUCK! Perhaps if the only thing left to call a duck a duck is a physical line up of Pan Am furloughees then maybe that line needs to be formed in Florida.
As I said...Stay away.
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angrynhpilot
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I second everything newshooter said. STAY AWAY FROM BOSTON-MAINE AIRWAYS. The management will run you into the ground. DO NOT believe a word they are staying. The few pilots they have left are leaving because the industry is finally turning around and ANYWHERE is better than BMA. The 5 year training contract is true, also the biggest piece of human waste owns the company and everyone below him is a yes bunch. NO common sense or heart. BMA will soon be considered a union busting operation if they get the 727s on the BMA certificate, owner wants to crush Pan-AM union. ASK ALPA. STAY AWAY!!!!!
You've been warned!
You've been warned!
FurloughedAgain
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Having been an ALPA member for 18 years, I cannot just sit by and listen to all this nonsense. First, to Newshooterxpress, if it looks like a duck... is completely irrelevant. You obviosly have a problem with what your airline is doing, and, of course, you are entitled to your opinion. Calling your fellow pilots the "S" word is the problem.
Fortunately for us all, pilots are not labeled as such because someone does not like them or their airline. There is only one way to become a "S" and that is by crossing an active strike, or picket line. Why fortunately? Because here is a small list of airlines that have, or are infringing on other pilots: Continental. Continental Express. Peoples Express. Bar Harbor Airlines. Comair. Ryan Airlines. United Airlines. Express.Net Airlines. Northeast Airlines. Capitol. And on and on.
So, yes, go ask ALPA what they think, they will be more than happy to tell you. ALPA does not condone labeling pilots as "S"s just for fun.
Fortunately for us all, pilots are not labeled as such because someone does not like them or their airline. There is only one way to become a "S" and that is by crossing an active strike, or picket line. Why fortunately? Because here is a small list of airlines that have, or are infringing on other pilots: Continental. Continental Express. Peoples Express. Bar Harbor Airlines. Comair. Ryan Airlines. United Airlines. Express.Net Airlines. Northeast Airlines. Capitol. And on and on.
So, yes, go ask ALPA what they think, they will be more than happy to tell you. ALPA does not condone labeling pilots as "S"s just for fun.
Capt_robert
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New cut backs
Maybe it's the ALPA boys demands, that cause's airlines to react like this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3489761.stm
For the industry to survive, it needs to change and that includes all us pilots
Maybe it's the ALPA boys demands, that cause's airlines to react like this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3489761.stm
For the industry to survive, it needs to change and that includes all us pilots
What demands are you talking about? Are you still with the B'M thread or did you jump this thread to talk about Ryan air?
I agree that no one should be labeled a "S" without crossing a picket line. That being said I know that if you go to B-M Airways with the intention of flying a 727 you are knowingly hurting the pilots at Pan Am. So because I was formerly a pilot at PAA I will do my best to make sure that you wont' get a job at any place I work at. And there are many of the former PAA pilot group that have gone onto many of the "good jobs" that these people may someday want.
I hold nothing against the J31 or C212 drivers there, in fact I know what they have had to put up with by being there.
Good luck to all. I would just not be rushing to fly a 727 for B-M, and that's just my advice
I agree that no one should be labeled a "S" without crossing a picket line. That being said I know that if you go to B-M Airways with the intention of flying a 727 you are knowingly hurting the pilots at Pan Am. So because I was formerly a pilot at PAA I will do my best to make sure that you wont' get a job at any place I work at. And there are many of the former PAA pilot group that have gone onto many of the "good jobs" that these people may someday want.
I hold nothing against the J31 or C212 drivers there, in fact I know what they have had to put up with by being there.
Good luck to all. I would just not be rushing to fly a 727 for B-M, and that's just my advice
I guess you know not of what you speak...I guess you see it as being more favorable to you if they started flying Continental's 737's, or 777's. If you don't see the difference between a person flying a C/D model or a mainline aircraft there really are big problems with your view of our industry.
People get on Mesa for starting the trip to the bottom. I guess you also see that your profession would be better if Mesa started flying US Airways Airbuses for 30K.
Just a little more perspective. I hear that they want to pay the B-M pilots straight salary for flying the 727. 60K for Captain 40K for F/O's and F/E's. I guess that works for the people that were flying J Balls for 24K.
So where will the race to the bottom stop...I guess you see the folks willing to take those pay rates as just opportunists looking out for themselves. Well in my case I hope they intend to make B-M a career. Because if I have anything to do with it they won't go anywhere else.
People get on Mesa for starting the trip to the bottom. I guess you also see that your profession would be better if Mesa started flying US Airways Airbuses for 30K.
Just a little more perspective. I hear that they want to pay the B-M pilots straight salary for flying the 727. 60K for Captain 40K for F/O's and F/E's. I guess that works for the people that were flying J Balls for 24K.
So where will the race to the bottom stop...I guess you see the folks willing to take those pay rates as just opportunists looking out for themselves. Well in my case I hope they intend to make B-M a career. Because if I have anything to do with it they won't go anywhere else.
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Pay Rates
It's all true. And to the person talking about Ryan saying that maybe the reason for all of this is because the ALPA pilots at PAA were killing the company, not true at all. $40K a year is more than i was making as a first year FO on the 727 as an ALPA pilot there (lowest paid ALPA pilots in the country i believe). It's pretty obvious that Fink just plain doesn't want a union at his company, i'm sure due to his history with them at the railroad. So he is willing to bust up the union and hire pilots at a higher rate from the non-union BM so he can have total control.
It's all true. And to the person talking about Ryan saying that maybe the reason for all of this is because the ALPA pilots at PAA were killing the company, not true at all. $40K a year is more than i was making as a first year FO on the 727 as an ALPA pilot there (lowest paid ALPA pilots in the country i believe). It's pretty obvious that Fink just plain doesn't want a union at his company, i'm sure due to his history with them at the railroad. So he is willing to bust up the union and hire pilots at a higher rate from the non-union BM so he can have total control.
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Your own airline
Hey 727PAA
If you want to stop BM pilots from working other airlines, then you and your ALPA friends should go buy a airline. I think US Air or United can offer you good deals.
Oh, I forgot, AlPA had a board seat on United, and the airline still went bust.
Good Luck in airline management 101
Hey 727PAA
If you want to stop BM pilots from working other airlines, then you and your ALPA friends should go buy a airline. I think US Air or United can offer you good deals.
Oh, I forgot, AlPA had a board seat on United, and the airline still went bust.
Good Luck in airline management 101
NYJETSflyer
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J31 in TTN
Heard there was a J31 in Trenton yesterday. Are they starting service between BED-TTN?
And are they going to call back the Furloughed guys who haven't found other flying jobs?
Just my 2cents, the TTN BED flight is actually a very pretty flight, especially at night up the coast!! Not to mention whoever takes it over, the loads are always good and the BED TTN ground crews are awesome!!!!
later
nyjetsflyer
Heard there was a J31 in Trenton yesterday. Are they starting service between BED-TTN?
And are they going to call back the Furloughed guys who haven't found other flying jobs?
Just my 2cents, the TTN BED flight is actually a very pretty flight, especially at night up the coast!! Not to mention whoever takes it over, the loads are always good and the BED TTN ground crews are awesome!!!!
later
nyjetsflyer
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Hey Capt Robert.
Do/Did you work for B-M? Or, is it just your friends that did? If your friends left the company, then why did they leave.
I think B-M is a great place to go if you need some turbine time, as well as turbine PIC time.
Are you angry with ALPA? Is it the Pan American pilots you hate? I am trying to get what your true beef is.
I am not ALPA..and my friends that work there don't run ALPA national or any other airline, so I am unsure why people keep bringing up United and other carriers.
If they/you know any of the pilots at B/M that have been there for a while ask them why the company wouldn't allow them to flow through to the Pan Am certificate as F/O's like they promised them. Don't tell me its because they didn't want to.
The last thing I will say is that if you do go there, ask yourself what you will do when the company tells you to violate a FAR, or be fired. Which road will you choose when that happens?
Because if you are a certain Pan Am captain it meant being fired to keep his certificates.
Disclaimer:
My opinions are mine and mine alone. They are in no way linked or associated with the Airline Pilots Association, Pan American Airlines, United Airlines, Delta Airlines, Northwest Airlines, ATA Airlines, Southeast Airlines, North American Airlines, Miami Air, Skywest, Comair, Piedmont, Colgan, or any other certificated air carrier.
Do/Did you work for B-M? Or, is it just your friends that did? If your friends left the company, then why did they leave.
I think B-M is a great place to go if you need some turbine time, as well as turbine PIC time.
Are you angry with ALPA? Is it the Pan American pilots you hate? I am trying to get what your true beef is.
I am not ALPA..and my friends that work there don't run ALPA national or any other airline, so I am unsure why people keep bringing up United and other carriers.
If they/you know any of the pilots at B/M that have been there for a while ask them why the company wouldn't allow them to flow through to the Pan Am certificate as F/O's like they promised them. Don't tell me its because they didn't want to.
The last thing I will say is that if you do go there, ask yourself what you will do when the company tells you to violate a FAR, or be fired. Which road will you choose when that happens?
Because if you are a certain Pan Am captain it meant being fired to keep his certificates.
Disclaimer:
My opinions are mine and mine alone. They are in no way linked or associated with the Airline Pilots Association, Pan American Airlines, United Airlines, Delta Airlines, Northwest Airlines, ATA Airlines, Southeast Airlines, North American Airlines, Miami Air, Skywest, Comair, Piedmont, Colgan, or any other certificated air carrier.
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Newspaper
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/.../news/39101.htm
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http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/s...02257935&EDATE=
http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=2340645
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ess/9741065.htm
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/...4/1003/BUSINESS
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap.../ap1557838.html
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/09/23/ap1557838.html
[/font]These are some links to what is going on there.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/.../news/39101.htm
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http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/s...02257935&EDATE=
http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=2340645
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ess/9741065.htm
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/...4/1003/BUSINESS
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap.../ap1557838.html
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/09/23/ap1557838.html
[/font]These are some links to what is going on there.
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