BM Airways

[SkyMonkey]

He is still Chief Pilot but is not involved in the Boeing stuff.

Last I heard he and John Pearl are trying to get something going in the Caribbean with the CASA.

 

[WOXOF]

Having been an ALPA member for 18 years, I cannot just sit by and listen to all this nonsense. First, to Newshooterxpress, if it looks like a duck... is completely irrelevant. You obviosly have a problem with what your airline is doing, and, of course, you are entitled to your opinion. Calling your fellow pilots the "S" word is the problem.
Fortunately for us all, pilots are not labeled as such because someone does not like them or their airline. There is only one way to become a "S" and that is by crossing an active strike, or picket line. Why fortunately? Because here is a small list of airlines that have, or are infringing on other pilots: Continental. Continental Express. Peoples Express. Bar Harbor Airlines. Comair. Ryan Airlines. United Airlines. Express.Net Airlines. Northeast Airlines. Capitol. And on and on.
So, yes, go ask ALPA what they think, they will be more than happy to tell you. ALPA does not condone labeling pilots as "S"s just for fun.

 

[Capt_robert]

New cut backs

Maybe it's the ALPA boys demands, that cause's airlines to react like this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3489761.stm

For the industry to survive, it needs to change and that includes all us pilots

 

[727PAA]

What demands are you talking about? Are you still with the B'M thread or did you jump this thread to talk about Ryan air?

I agree that no one should be labeled a "S" without crossing a picket line. That being said I know that if you go to B-M Airways with the intention of flying a 727 you are knowingly hurting the pilots at Pan Am. So because I was formerly a pilot at PAA I will do my best to make sure that you wont' get a job at any place I work at. And there are many of the former PAA pilot group that have gone onto many of the "good jobs" that these people may someday want.

I hold nothing against the J31 or C212 drivers there, in fact I know what they have had to put up with by being there.

Good luck to all. I would just not be rushing to fly a 727 for B-M, and that's just my advice

 

[capitan]

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Like me, I hold nothing against any Continental Express pilots, exept the ones that flew the Beech 1900C. Not the 1900 D, or B, just the ones that flew the C. They will never get good jobs if I have anything to say about it!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[727PAA]

I guess you know not of what you speak...I guess you see it as being more favorable to you if they started flying Continental's 737's, or 777's. If you don't see the difference between a person flying a C/D model or a mainline aircraft there really are big problems with your view of our industry.

People get on Mesa for starting the trip to the bottom. I guess you also see that your profession would be better if Mesa started flying US Airways Airbuses for 30K.

Just a little more perspective. I hear that they want to pay the B-M pilots straight salary for flying the 727. 60K for Captain 40K for F/O's and F/E's. I guess that works for the people that were flying J Balls for 24K.

So where will the race to the bottom stop...I guess you see the folks willing to take those pay rates as just opportunists looking out for themselves. Well in my case I hope they intend to make B-M a career. Because if I have anything to do with it they won't go anywhere else.

 

[PSM727]

Pay Rates

It's all true. And to the person talking about Ryan saying that maybe the reason for all of this is because the ALPA pilots at PAA were killing the company, not true at all. $40K a year is more than i was making as a first year FO on the 727 as an ALPA pilot there (lowest paid ALPA pilots in the country i believe). It's pretty obvious that Fink just plain doesn't want a union at his company, i'm sure due to his history with them at the railroad. So he is willing to bust up the union and hire pilots at a higher rate from the non-union BM so he can have total control.

 

[Capt_robert]

Your own airline

Hey 727PAA
If you want to stop BM pilots from working other airlines, then you and your ALPA friends should go buy a airline. I think US Air or United can offer you good deals.
Oh, I forgot, AlPA had a board seat on United, and the airline still went bust.
Good Luck in airline management 101

 

[727PAA]

Not all the B-M pilots...just the ones that choose to go fly the Pan Am B727's.

 

[NYJETSflyer]

J31 in TTN

Heard there was a J31 in Trenton yesterday. Are they starting service between BED-TTN?

And are they going to call back the Furloughed guys who haven't found other flying jobs?

Just my 2cents, the TTN BED flight is actually a very pretty flight, especially at night up the coast!! Not to mention whoever takes it over, the loads are always good and the BED TTN ground crews are awesome!!!!

later
nyjetsflyer

 

[capitan]

"Just a little more perspective. I hear that they want to pay the B-M pilots straight salary for flying the 727. 60K for Captain 40K for F/O's and F/E's.
So where will the race to the bottom stop..."


AND THEN POSTED BY: PSM 727:


"$40K a year is more than i was making as a first year FO on the 727 as an ALPA pilot there (lowest paid ALPA pilots in the country i believe)....."


Well, now we know where the race to the bottom stops...

 

[727PAA]

Hey Capt Robert.

Do/Did you work for B-M? Or, is it just your friends that did? If your friends left the company, then why did they leave.

I think B-M is a great place to go if you need some turbine time, as well as turbine PIC time.

Are you angry with ALPA? Is it the Pan American pilots you hate? I am trying to get what your true beef is.

I am not ALPA..and my friends that work there don't run ALPA national or any other airline, so I am unsure why people keep bringing up United and other carriers.

If they/you know any of the pilots at B/M that have been there for a while ask them why the company wouldn't allow them to flow through to the Pan Am certificate as F/O's like they promised them. Don't tell me its because they didn't want to.

The last thing I will say is that if you do go there, ask yourself what you will do when the company tells you to violate a FAR, or be fired. Which road will you choose when that happens?

Because if you are a certain Pan Am captain it meant being fired to keep his certificates.

Disclaimer:

My opinions are mine and mine alone. They are in no way linked or associated with the Airline Pilots Association, Pan American Airlines, United Airlines, Delta Airlines, Northwest Airlines, ATA Airlines, Southeast Airlines, North American Airlines, Miami Air, Skywest, Comair, Piedmont, Colgan, or any other certificated air carrier.

 

[Lightning]

Newspaper


http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/.../news/39101.htm
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http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/s...02257935&EDATE=
http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=2340645
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ess/9741065.htm
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/...4/1003/BUSINESS
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap.../ap1557838.html

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/09/23/ap1557838.html



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