Blue Ridge Emergency @ GSO Today.

[Badger]

Anybody know what the nature of the problem was. It was an RJ that had just departed GSO rwy 23... called an emergency .. returned to land rwy 5 (same runway opposite direction with a 15 knot tailwind I'll add).

He must have been ref+30 and the 15 kts...it didn't look anywhere near normal for an approach and landing. I had doubts about him getting it stopped as well. Wings were a wagging big time. It really didn't look right at all and I'll bet those passengers were scared Shi#.

They rolled the trucks but called them off after getting stopped. Any info?

 

[wasted state]

Forgot the Columbian coffee,,,

 

[328dude]

Who gives a crap about tailwinds when you need to get it down quick Badger?

I'd hate for you to burn one into the trees while making sure your setting the ref speeds when your cabins on fire. Screw it. If you need it down, you get it down.

I was using a Cabin fire as an Example. I have no knowledge of what happened to Blue Ridge. Everyone lived, so I guess it was a successful day. Good job crew

 

[Rook]

Amen 328 dude...Amen

Rook

600' AGL Autopilot on.
'WHEW!'

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Badger you sound a LITTLE emotional about this one....

Ref +30-40 is not the end of the world when you simply want to get on the ground ASAP. It is not ideal by any means, but very very do-able...

You had doubts about him getting it stopped?? whys that??!

Hey, a little tailwind and a little fast is an OK trade off if you have sufficient runway a legitimate concern....for example...smoke in the cockpit...

 

[350DRIVER]

Vref, tailwind, etc, who really cares... I would absolutely care less about any of that if I was in an emergency situation and I needed to get the aircraft on the ground asap. I would just make sure gear was in the down & locked position and the rest is all minor especially winds and aircraft speeds. Most pilots can improvise, accept, and make any (or most) configuration(s) work for most situations. Priority takes precedence and the number "1" priority it seems in alot of the cases is to get aircraft on the ground asap regardless of speeds, configuration, etc, ..


c h e e r s

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[FL000]

If you're going to land with a 15 knot tailwind, a 10,000 footer is a good one to do it on.

Sounds like it was a serious emergency if they teardropped back to the opposite direction with very little time to configure and run checks. Everyone's alive and well. Good job, I'd say.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Who gives a crap about tailwinds when you need to get it down quick Badger?

Yes, true; but there are VERY, VERY few conditions that would warrant a return as was described. If the equipment was ordered back, and the aircraft not evacuated, I would question if this was a dire condition that couldn't wait for a normal circuit, and landing within limitaions....

 

[phishn@daves]

I think it was because their code-share expired.

That was intended as a joke only.

 

[328dude]

Like I said, I was using a cabin fire as the example. If you forgot the Columbian Coffee like someone mentioned, then no, you would go through the procedures.

Anyone ever find out what happened that warrented such a return? Just curious.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

I don't know why they returned as abruptly as they did.

One example that I can think for the CRJ is a T/R deploying in flight. Very serious situation if not addressed quickly and decisively. I'M NOT, HOWEVER, IMPLYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.

It will be interesting to hear the details if/when they become available.

 

[T-Gates]

One example that I can think for the CRJ is a T/R deploying in flight. Very serious situation if not addressed quickly and decisively.

I know I'd need a new pair of shorts if I saw that Thrust Lever snatch back on climbout.....

In the sim it's a handfull.

Whatever happened, I'm sure they did the right thing to get that plane back safely.

--03M

 

[KingAirKiddo]

I know I'd need a new pair of shorts if I saw that Thrust Lever snatch back on climbout.....

In the sim it's a handfull.

Whatever happened, I'm sure they did the right thing to get that plane back safely.

--03M

Yeah, I'd definitely need to dip into the reserve supply of Hanes myself. I made the mistake of keeping my hand too close to the thrust levers one time in the sim...that mistake definitely will not be repeated if/when I ever get back into the RJ

 

[Whirlwind]

Hey, a little tailwind and a little fast is an OK trade off if you have sufficient runway a legitimate concern....for example...smoke in the cockpit...

If it is something like an engine fire, smoke in the cockpit, etc...

Then I'd think it would be better to land fast and long, perhaps running off the runway even, but at least you're on the ground, slowing down, under control.

If you hit something off the end of the runway, it'll hurt a lot less than if you lose the controls 500ft AGL.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Whirlwind]

Vref, tailwind, etc, who really cares... I would absolutely care less about any of that if I was in an emergency situation and I needed to get the aircraft on the ground asap. I would just make sure gear was in the down & locked position and the rest is all minor especially winds and aircraft speeds. Most pilots can improvise, accept, and make any (or most) configuration(s) work for most situations. Priority takes precedence and the number "1" priority it seems in alot of the cases is to get aircraft on the ground asap regardless of speeds, configuration, etc, ..

c h e e r s

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3 5 0, just a personal note...

If it is really that serious, and the runway is pretty short, I might be inclined to land gear up. My uninformed opinion is that the belly of the plane provides more friction than the wheels do.

But perhaps I'm wrong about that?

 

[ReportCanoa]

Then I'd think it would be better to land fast and long, perhaps running off the runway even, but at least you're on the ground, slowing down, under control.

1. Since when is running off the runway considered 'under control'?

2. And we have people suggesting that landing gear-up may be solution?


3. Please tell me you're not for real.


4. And when was the last time you saw an airliner landing gear-up because of smoke in the cabin, or an engine fire?

5. Even if a thrust reverser deploys, the aircraft will climb away albeit slowly. Lets not get simulator emotion confused with good judgement.

5. God help us and pray for common sense...

 

[Whirlwind]

1. Since when is running off the runway considered 'under control'?

Yes, compared to what happened to N166ME...

Everything I've learned about safely crashing is that you increase your odds of survival if you maintain control all the way to the ground, then hit whatever you're going to hit as lightly as possible.

2. And we have people suggesting that landing gear-up may be solution?

It sounds like a reasonable solution to me. Even more so if you can't make the runway, and you've got a field in front of you.

It also depends on the airplane. In a plane with gear under the belly, maybe drop it down, in something with gear on the wing, maybe leave it up.

4. And when was the last time you saw an airliner landing gear-up because of smoke in the cabin, or an engine fire?

I suppose I wasn't thinking of airliners, rather smaller planes. Right thoughts, wrong post.

5. God help us and pray for common sense...

This is why I fly light singles and not heavy jets.

 

[blott]

Thrust reverse... A friend of mine actually took off with on engine in full reverse-in the sim...LOL..was one of his first "flights"...He was like-**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, this thing doesn't climb very well..LOL...Funniest thing I've ever seen in a SIM....at ERAU...friend(student) was in the King Air sim. instructor failed an engine on final, student performed a perfect VMC roll--landed centerline of the runway-- no red screen, perfect landing--what do you say to him after that??? (and no, he wasn't related to Hoover)


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[350DRIVER]

If it is really that serious, and the runway is pretty short, I might be inclined to land gear up. My uninformed opinion is that the belly of the plane provides more friction than the wheels do.

I guess that would really depend on the type of equipment, situation, type and extent of emergency, circumstances, runway, conditions, etc, etc,.... This runway was not "pretty short" and I responded per this situation more so than in general regarding "smaller and pretty short" runways as you are mentioning. I am sure that some situation may or may not require a gear up landing, just hopefully I will not have to make that call in the "real world".... There also may be more opportunity for big ($$$) damage to bottom of aircraft if you would choose to land gear up just as a "precaution" when it would not be a "must".... Most all crews know just what they can get away with in these sort of situations when they need to get the aircraft on the ground asap.

Anyone know what really happened.?


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[350DRIVER]

ps>> who is that on your avatar Whirl.??

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(just curious)