Bloch Interpertation and 9E

[EngineThunder]

Talk about throwing stones.....You constantly spew your opinion about others pay rates. Pinnacle is within ten dollars in its pay rates with other that fly the same equipment. Your airline pay rates are grossly undercutting others that fly the same equipment. I just took my six year rate on the 320/319 to see how your airline pays,,,,,we pay $123 you $85....that's $38 dollars LESS. Hell your Captains only make $7 /hr more than our FO's!! Maybe you shouldn't jump on others pay rates when yours are so low yourself.

I am sure you will come up with some excuse that your airline is new or you are in line with some other lowly lcc. Doesn't matter, yours undercut ours and you are on here all high and mighty talking about others doing the same thing.

Isn't he a Gulfstream grad too?

 

[FOrever85]

First off, if he was around to fly the Avro, he at least had a long chance to be a captain..... If not still, albiet a crap reserve line at this point.

Who says I believe them? You by your actions

You didn't answer the question.

What happens after the no vote? Either Delta changes their plans to keep from looking foolish, while changing their diaper, or we see that the planes were coming anyway... either way it was going to take more than 6 months

You really think they would just give up and say "you win" Not a chance but they wouldn't be able to kill us in the time frame quoted. Ultimately you have to look at the money... it always comes down to money. Where were they going to move stuff for a cheaper option that would actually function? Hint, NOT the Skywest family.

First off, I respect point of view and agree with most of your post. You were able to put your thoughts in a rational post without going off the handle.(and you still work here so that also matters) Fact is voting no would have only made it worse.

Actually, my actions are a direct result of not believing Delta or our management. I know they are only motivated by money. I know Delta is ruthless and could care less about it's regional partners. That was exactly what my vote was based on.

I completely agree that Delta wouldn't have been able to shut us down in a year. I am sure they would have found someone at a cheaper price. There are plenty of companies that would have taken our flying, for the price Delta wanted, in a heartbeat. (PSA, Mesa, Air Wisconsin, GoJet) I think Delta was smart enough to already have a back up plan.

And come on, you really think if they imposed enough pilots would have walked out?

Again, I am only speaking for myself, but I voted yes to keep that crappy imposed rate out of the industry. (The company meet every aspect of the court's demands)

Most importantly, it doesn't matter anymore. It happened.


P.S I don't appreciate your first sentence. I was enjoying flyer's petty FO comments. Makes me wonder if he thought that way about himself before he got to fly a "big boy" airplane. Now I am going to have to read his "you shouldn't be at a regional if you got to be a captain" diatribe. Thanks a lot

 

[1.3XVso]

Talk about throwing stones.....You constantly spew your opinion about others pay rates. Pinnacle is within ten dollars in its pay rates with other that fly the same equipment. Your airline pay rates are grossly undercutting others that fly the same equipment. I just took my six year rate on the 320/319 to see how your airline pays,,,,,we pay $123 you $85....that's $38 dollars LESS. Hell your Captains only make $7 /hr more than our FO's!! Maybe you shouldn't jump on others pay rates when yours are so low yourself.

I am sure you will come up with some excuse that your airline is new or you are in line with some other lowly lcc. Doesn't matter, yours undercut ours and you are on here all high and mighty talking about others doing the same thing.

Isn't he a Gulfstream grad too?

At least he doesn't work with spinless scabs and barbaric treatment.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Pot meet kettle! 10 pages of booger eaters, pointing booger encrusted fingers at each other.
Which one of you "invented" the backwards epaulets, flying the "9" ect, kids playing at being airline pilots. Enjoy knowing that 15 years ago you would have been laughed out of the Ameriflight office.

 

[1.3XVso]

Pot meet kettle! 10 pages of booger eaters, pointing booger encrusted fingers at each other.
Which one of you "invented" the backwards epaulets, flying the "9" ect, kids playing at being airline pilots. Enjoy knowing that 15 years ago you would have been laughed out of the Ameriflight office.

mesaba lol

 

[EngineThunder]

At least he doesn't work with spinless scabs and barbaric treatment.

No, he just paid a former scab to sit right seat to earn flight time. I can't help it if you don't see how many things are wrong with that.

 

[Flyer1015]

No, he just paid a former scab to sit right seat to earn flight time. I can't help it if you don't see how many things are wrong with that.

I never went to Gulfstream Academy, I've never flown a Beech 1900, in fact I've never flown a turboprop. But please, don't let facts get in the way of a good flightinfo bashing!

 

[gojo]

I never went to Gulfstream Academy, I've never flown a Beech 1900, in fact I've never flown a turboprop. But please, don't let facts get in the way of a good flightinfo bashing!

Interesting why you only chose to defend those items?

 

[Flyer1015]

Talk about throwing stones.....You constantly spew your opinion about others pay rates. Pinnacle is within ten dollars in its pay rates with other that fly the same equipment. Your airline pay rates are grossly undercutting others that fly the same equipment. I just took my six year rate on the 320/319 to see how your airline pays,,,,,we pay $123 you $85....that's $38 dollars LESS. Hell your Captains only make $7 /hr more than our FO's!! Maybe you shouldn't jump on others pay rates when yours are so low yourself.

I am sure you will come up with some excuse that your airline is new or you are in line with some other lowly lcc. Doesn't matter, yours undercut ours and you are on here all high and mighty talking about others doing the same thing.

You sound angry for a Mesaba flowthrough? You're talking about an entirely different landscape for negotiations. At the legacy level, VX's pay affects you minimally because VX just isn't in the same scope/type of flying that Delta does. You got your new pilot contract recently despite VX's payrates. Also, VX did get a payraise, so that 6th year FO pay is now $90/hr. It's not the Delta level, but in the playing field (which would be Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, and JetBlue) it's pretty much in the same ballpark.

Now compare that to the regional landscape, where all regionals are in the same ballpark: all of them fly RJs in the 50-76 seat range, all of them are approx 100-200 RJ quantity, and all of them are competing with the same owner (mothership/legacy airline) to get flying. It is the ultimate definition of a cutthroat environment. They are DIRECTLY competing against each other, whereas in your comparison, we are not. So when 9E Corp voluntarily accepts paycuts, it then puts downward pressure in section 6 negotiations for other regional airlines that are doing the exact same type of flying, in the same scope, in the same size. Now Delta can go to Skywest, ASA, Shuttle America, etc and tell them to do it at a certain cost that 9E has or else lose that flying. Now it could lead to an entire loss of flying, which directly affects the welfare of an entire pilot group. VX making what they have does not mean your A320 pilots at Delta will lose their flying. But on the regional level, that's exactly the implication. Even if you say 9E is within 10 dollars of others, that's still 10 less dollars that Delta can use to push a downward trend. We've already seen how Delta likes to play ball with Comair being the latest victim. Sorry, but your comparison of VX vs Delta is an entirely different (and irrelevant) argument when comparing the cutthroat environment of regionals undercutting each other to gain more flying, especially when those pilots voluntarily accept paycuts.

 

[Flyer1015]

Interesting why you only chose to defend those items?

Give me more than a minute, I only have two hands to type.