big brother on the flightdeck

[enigma]

I just received this in a newsflash email from ATW online.

"Honeywell override system could be on its way to airlines soon
Dateline: Thursday August 14, 2003

A Honeywell-developed cockpit automation system intended to override human inputs under certain circumstances could be offered to airlines within a relatively short timeframe, perhaps in a few years, a company official confirmed to ATWOnline"

Does anyone know of the specifics of this system?

regards, enigma

 

[JJay]

I remember reading somewhere that Honeywell was working on a system that would override pilot imput to prevent the aircraft from being flown into buildings and other man made objects. I'll look around and see if I can find the article.


Here it is:
http://www.flightsafetyzone.com/engineer2-11-01.html

 

[Ty Webb]

Another reason to stay in the 717 . . . . no fly-by-wire.

We do have overspeed and underspeed protection, but we can easily disble that if it were somehow necessary.

The funniest part of the whole "take control of the aircraft away from the pilot when necessary" story was watching Airbus backpedaling . . . "Oh, we would NEVER try to implement anyhting that would take final authority away from the pilots.

Uhhhh, you already have.

 

[ibaflyer]

.....watching Airbus backpedaling . . . "Oh, we would NEVER try to implement anyhting that would take final authority away from the pilots.

Yea... I seem to remember a few years ago that an Airbus was doing a fly-by during an airshow. The auto-pilot thought that the plane was landing so dispite the inputs by the pilot to start his clilmb, the aircraft crashed into the trees off the end of the runway.

I can only see one use for this type of automation. If you work for an airline that DOES NOT ALLOW go-arounds.

 

[Mugs]

The pilot of the Paris accident that you are talking about had about as much understanding of how the Airbus works as you do. Even without understanding what was happening, the situation would have been resolved by pushing the throttles into the TO/GA detent. He finally figured that out just before he started munching on the tree tops. A little too late. To say that "the airplane wouldn't go around" because the "computers wouldn't let it" is a myth.

 

[trainerjet]

And a myth that I thought would have died by now. This pilot was attempting an Alpha Floor demonstration, (which by the way, was to be done at 400') , but evidently he didn't understand that Alpha Floor is disabled below 100', since the aircraft assumes at that altitude you are going to land. Or either he was totally unaware of his altitude, which was something less than 100'. Either way he completely f*cked up. By the time he realized that the aircraft wasn't going to automatically initiate the Alpha Floor recovery, he was flying through the trees with the engines unspooled. By the time he pushed the power up and the engines did spool up, it was WAY too late. If you ever watch that video again, listen to how late the engines spool. Just about the time it turns into a ball of smoke and fire.

 

[Skyboss]

The myth as mentioned is only perpetuated by the way the incident is reported every time it's shown. You have to look up the incident to get the real story.

Next stop... Domestic single pilot ops?

 

[Skyboss]

Another reason to stay in the 717 . . . . no fly-by-wire.

Aircraft performance question...

1. How does it handle?
2. Whats the book hourly burn rate for a 600 mile trip?

Need this for a bit of research on the cost of ops.

 

[Ty Webb]

It handles great. The McDonnell Douglas Cable Company built a good airplane.

I would have to consult my book which is conveniently in the bag room, but I would SWAG it at around 7200-7400lbs burn for a 600 mile flight, not counting 500-1000 lbs for taxi. . . . of course, your mileage may vary.

 

[ibaflyer]

Thanks for the info. I did some looking on the net and found this.
www.airdisaster.com/movies/

If I knew how to create a link, I would.....

 

[Typhoon1244]

ALPA killed video cameras in the cockpit...they'll kill the "override" too.

Are they talking about an airplane-based override...perhaps something tied into the EGPWS? Or a ground based system?

 

[JimNtexas]

I posted an article on this a few months ago.

It's a "refuse to crash" system that uses gps and terrain database to determine if the pilot is trying to crash the airplane.

If the airplane enters a predefined bubble around an obstacle then the autpilot overides the pilot and flies away from danger.

 

[Typhoon1244]

If the airplane enters a predefined bubble around an obstacle then the autpilot overides the pilot and flies away from danger.

We've all seen GPWS queer-trons...wouldn't that be wonderful during an ILS to one-seven center at DFW, with other jets all around you, if the "no-crash" system decided it had other ideas?

How about aircraft without autothrottles? Will it just fly them into a stall?

 

[enigma]

I posted an article on this a few months ago.

It's a "refuse to crash" system that uses gps and terrain database to determine if the pilot is trying to crash the airplane.

If the airplane enters a predefined bubble around an obstacle then the autpilot overides the pilot and flies away from danger.

I must have missed your post, do you remember the post title?

thanks,
enigma

 

[stillaboo]

I like the piture in the article. The pilots (and their cockpit) look like they're straight outta' the 70's. The Capt's got 'chops' and the FO's hair looks on the long side of 'long'.

My guess it the aircraft pictured is as fly-by-wire as a 172 is.

-Boo!

 

[WrightAvia]

I like the piture in the article. The pilots (and their cockpit) look like they're straight outta' the 70's. The Capt's got 'chops' and the FO's hair looks on the long side of 'long'.

My guess it the aircraft pictured is as fly-by-wire as a 172 is.

My guess is that it's a file photo and that the flight crew is European. The picture may not be as old as you think, look at all the donkeys still running around with MULLETS and wearing Oakley Blades, when we all know that shaved Mr Clean style and Raybans is the only way to go. Vin Diesel...I LOVE you man!

http://outnow.ch/Media/Img/2002/xXx/Movie.2/27.jpg