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ILSJUNKIE said:
Thats really a subjective (I think thats the correct word) question. Anyone who answers with "this company" or "that company" really shows their relative inexperance in this industry.
Airlines (and any other flying type company) of all sizes come and go, get bought and sold and change.
I really don't like quoting the old president of Allegheny (and ALG guys know he has some great or not-so-great quotes) but he once said, "if you don't like (or like for that matter) something in this industry just wait 15 minutes and it will change". We'll maybe not 15 minutes but you get the picture.
A company that is growing today may not be growing so much tomorrow.
My 2 cents, do your research, talk to friends and the rest. Seek the company that best suits you and your needs. Cross check your info just like you cross check in an instrument scan. (yes I know that sounded stupid but...) Info you get from your best buds may be off. There is alot of craploa out there.
In the end one mans first choise for a company may be anothers last.
Good luck, luck is what you need, it's what we all need in this bizz.
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House_X said:
OH THE HUMANITY!!!
I'm sure they'll work on that situation in what, less'n two years when their contract is up for renewal... And the bar-raisers at Comair are still making.... WHOOOPS!!! $75/hr, since they lowered the bar by accepting a pay freeze.
Hard to accuse everyone else of being bar-lowering whores when you can't even keep your OWN payscale, innit?
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suupah said:
Approximate answer? One million, jillion years.
The unsaid fact is that you'll upgrade sooner at CHQ, and therefore that FO rate is relatively irrelevant. You make that dirt wage for two years and then you make that Cap'n rate.
Funny how few people complain about the $27/hr for a newhire at UPS, since, ya know, THE PAY GOES UP.
Sell your nonsense somewhere else, House_X
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ILSJUNKIE said:
Man, you guys fall for these first posters like they're going out of style. 6700TT, 73, and 75 type, looking for a regional job. Right. Nobody said try SWA or UPS or FEDEX. Instead you biatch and bicker between each other. Suckers.
ILSJUNKIE, really, you're overqualifed for the regionals. For now I'd start low and say- Pay to play- the Gulfstream way.
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Speaking of flamebait....
You people have got to stop. It was funny seeing Training and all that for a couple weeks, but I swear it's the same guy and enough is enough. Take a break Guppy.
Stop and think, you guys. Would anyone post the stuff he does? Would anyone pick that name if they flew 170s? Guppy, please just take a month or two off. Your stuff is funny, but only in a random way. Daily posts just get annoying.
You people have got to stop. It was funny seeing Training and all that for a couple weeks, but I swear it's the same guy and enough is enough. Take a break Guppy.
Stop and think, you guys. Would anyone post the stuff he does? Would anyone pick that name if they flew 170s? Guppy, please just take a month or two off. Your stuff is funny, but only in a random way. Daily posts just get annoying.
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All the regionals suck d**k. They dont pay **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** and they never will. Whoopy do you are there for 5 years and make captain to take home a big 60,000 a year. That blows big time. I started making that from day one flying a lear jet, with better benefits, and i dont have to overnight at roach hotels like you guys do. Stay away from the regionals. The only good thing that i can say about them is that you get to have your way with the flight attendants!!!!
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I.P.Freely,
You and I have been on this board for a long time so I feel comfortable telling you that up until today i've enjoyed your posts and your contributions.
But today I read the following:
The unsaid fact is that you'll upgrade sooner at CHQ, and therefore that FO rate is relatively irrelevant. You make that dirt wage for two years and then you make that Cap'n rate.
Frankly I can't believe that you would have written this. There is simply no part of this that is based in fact -- it makes assumptions. (a LOT of assumptions)
It assumes that Chautauqua will continue to grow at a brisk rate indefinately.
Thats quite a leap of faith, dont you think? In 1999 how many people were told to expect a 5 year upgrade at United, US Airways, Delta...?
When the majors were each hiring 100 pilots a month and taking delivery of a new aircraft every week, what were our career expectations?
When Comair pilots were being hired and upgrading in less than 2 years?
What were our career expectations in 1996 when Piedmont and Allegheny were the cream-of-the-crop regional jobs?
What were the career expectations of the Chautauqua pilots in 1995 when they took delivery of a handful of PSA's old Jetstreams?
This industry is so unbelievably fluid that I dont think you can count on a rapid upgrade to justify poor compensation for first officers.
The fact is this: At SOME point Chautauqua will either stop growing or (god forbid) shrink. And at that time you WILL HAVE copilots who will be forced to accept those payrates for a long, long time.
Take a look at Comair. How could you even begin to project an upgrade time for an individual hired today? Attrition is virtually nonexistant and aircraft orders dont even BEGIN to make a dent in the 1000+ upgrades that would have to occur before todays newhire upgrades.
Chautauqua is only a few years from finding itself in that same position -- and that is IF US Airways and United are able to avoid liquidation.
But in two years you folks will be in negotiations again. I constantly read how then all of the inequities will be addressed. I hope that you will put your money where your mouth is and address this problem... but I have my doubts.
The sad truth is that the Chautauqua pilots are just as blind as most other pilots. They are victim to SJS (shiny-jet-syndrome) and will sell their souls for continued growth. It is a shame, in my opinion, that only ego is driving this growth.
Hopefully when the music stops your group will have the wisdom and the stregnth required to raise your own PERSONAL bar, and protect your first officers.
You and I have been on this board for a long time so I feel comfortable telling you that up until today i've enjoyed your posts and your contributions.
But today I read the following:
The unsaid fact is that you'll upgrade sooner at CHQ, and therefore that FO rate is relatively irrelevant. You make that dirt wage for two years and then you make that Cap'n rate.
Frankly I can't believe that you would have written this. There is simply no part of this that is based in fact -- it makes assumptions. (a LOT of assumptions)
It assumes that Chautauqua will continue to grow at a brisk rate indefinately.
Thats quite a leap of faith, dont you think? In 1999 how many people were told to expect a 5 year upgrade at United, US Airways, Delta...?
When the majors were each hiring 100 pilots a month and taking delivery of a new aircraft every week, what were our career expectations?
When Comair pilots were being hired and upgrading in less than 2 years?
What were our career expectations in 1996 when Piedmont and Allegheny were the cream-of-the-crop regional jobs?
What were the career expectations of the Chautauqua pilots in 1995 when they took delivery of a handful of PSA's old Jetstreams?
This industry is so unbelievably fluid that I dont think you can count on a rapid upgrade to justify poor compensation for first officers.
The fact is this: At SOME point Chautauqua will either stop growing or (god forbid) shrink. And at that time you WILL HAVE copilots who will be forced to accept those payrates for a long, long time.
Take a look at Comair. How could you even begin to project an upgrade time for an individual hired today? Attrition is virtually nonexistant and aircraft orders dont even BEGIN to make a dent in the 1000+ upgrades that would have to occur before todays newhire upgrades.
Chautauqua is only a few years from finding itself in that same position -- and that is IF US Airways and United are able to avoid liquidation.
But in two years you folks will be in negotiations again. I constantly read how then all of the inequities will be addressed. I hope that you will put your money where your mouth is and address this problem... but I have my doubts.
The sad truth is that the Chautauqua pilots are just as blind as most other pilots. They are victim to SJS (shiny-jet-syndrome) and will sell their souls for continued growth. It is a shame, in my opinion, that only ego is driving this growth.
Hopefully when the music stops your group will have the wisdom and the stregnth required to raise your own PERSONAL bar, and protect your first officers.
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"Who cares I get paid $hit and my quality of life sux, I fly a freakin' 70 seat jet." What complete BS.
Being an airline pilot was much like being a doctor back in the day. You would put up making peanuts because you knew that in the future you would get job that would pay the real big bucks. It's not like that anymore and probably will never be. I guessing that some people don't understand this or are that naive. I'm furloughed from 2 regionals and in six years of my life my top pay was $38000. How pathetic. I now have a decent corporate gig where my pay is more than double that. Yeah, I can't brag that I fly a "big" jet, but I can "brag" that I pay my bills and see my family.
PS-This is my time venting and it felt great!!
Being an airline pilot was much like being a doctor back in the day. You would put up making peanuts because you knew that in the future you would get job that would pay the real big bucks. It's not like that anymore and probably will never be. I guessing that some people don't understand this or are that naive. I'm furloughed from 2 regionals and in six years of my life my top pay was $38000. How pathetic. I now have a decent corporate gig where my pay is more than double that. Yeah, I can't brag that I fly a "big" jet, but I can "brag" that I pay my bills and see my family.
PS-This is my time venting and it felt great!!
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At least someone feels the same way as me. I turned town CHQ and TSA, 2 year contract and 18,000 a year, give me a break i can flip burgers and make more than that. Some people think walking down the terminal with the bars and the hat makes them feel good, but inside they knwo that there job sucks and they are well underpaid. If i had to go work for a regional i would quit aviation all together and do something else.
I have to agree with Learjetpilot. regionals suck. Being a pilot doesn't get you l!@d anymore so dump that idea. You are a complaint dept. People don't see you as a Professional at a regional. you are going to be crapped on by everyone except the dude sitting next to you....well you hope anyway. If I had it to do over again...wait a sec...I may have it to do over again this is the airline industry, I would fly a single pilot C208 and get my turbine time that way. Hmm....I didn't look at your profile, but I would do the military if I could. The question best regional is like asking for the best major right now. I think after all of this blah blah blah you will realize that there isn't a right answer....some maybe a little better than others. Good luck. Oh Gulfstream isn't the answer that is for sure.
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This board is terrible all you people ever do is bitch bitch bitch. I'm not naive, I am new to the 121 world though. You people talk as if right now is the end all be all. ITS NOT! You could set your watch to how cyclical it is. 30, years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Anyone ever think to notice a pattern? Now granted it will not ever go back to the way it was, but it definitely isnt going to be a bad way to make a living.
I'm at the end of my first year at a regional, almost been furloughed twice, the pay does suck but I have to say I'm having the time of my life gaining invaluable experience. Things really will get better, name one industry that is doing well right now other then the rich fat cat oil a$$holes. I figure the way things are right now and the surplus of pilots and with my time I am lucky to even have a job. I took the first job with a company that hired me and I dont regret it one bit.
Corporate isnt a bad way to go either, IF you can find a good company. From my experience there are VERY FEW good ones out there. I was recently offered a job flying right seat in a Westwind and the starting pay was 50k a year, but I had to be on a pager 24/7. Ok great so 50k a year but I couldnt even go grocery shopping! No thanks.
I think the bottom line is that you need to do what is right for you. The industry does suck right now but it will improve at some point. Only narrow minded idiots cant see that. Dont listen to anyone else, make the right decision for you. If your single and dont have a family it will make your decision a lot easer. Good luck!
I'm at the end of my first year at a regional, almost been furloughed twice, the pay does suck but I have to say I'm having the time of my life gaining invaluable experience. Things really will get better, name one industry that is doing well right now other then the rich fat cat oil a$$holes. I figure the way things are right now and the surplus of pilots and with my time I am lucky to even have a job. I took the first job with a company that hired me and I dont regret it one bit.
Corporate isnt a bad way to go either, IF you can find a good company. From my experience there are VERY FEW good ones out there. I was recently offered a job flying right seat in a Westwind and the starting pay was 50k a year, but I had to be on a pager 24/7. Ok great so 50k a year but I couldnt even go grocery shopping! No thanks.
I think the bottom line is that you need to do what is right for you. The industry does suck right now but it will improve at some point. Only narrow minded idiots cant see that. Dont listen to anyone else, make the right decision for you. If your single and dont have a family it will make your decision a lot easer. Good luck!
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I.P. Freley said:Approximate answer? One million, jillion years.
The unsaid fact is that you'll upgrade sooner at CHQ, and therefore that FO rate is relatively irrelevant. You make that dirt wage for two years and then you make that Cap'n rate.
Funny how few people complain about the $27/hr for a newhire at UPS, since, ya know, THE PAY GOES UP.
Sell your nonsense somewhere else, House_X
I have nothing to sell...and I didn't put "Guppykiller" as an online name either. This was funny at first...but I don't want this to be "my" future...flying a DC-9 (which is what a emb190 basically is) for those wages. FurloughedAgain summed up very nicely what many of feel.
I'm sure on CHQ regional pay, you can afford to fly to Italy with a supermodel and see your BMW Willliams FI team lose to Ferrari at Monza...the season is still young!
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Hey Learjet Pilot and White E,
I'm not one for picking fights, nor do I think I am now, but knock off the ragging on regionals. All you're doing is trying to make yourselves feel better about the status of your lives all the while badmouthing the careers of many regional pilots who earn a decent living and are very happy with their lives. Sounds like you two might have been misled by your guidance counselors in high school. Think about it.
MM
I'm not one for picking fights, nor do I think I am now, but knock off the ragging on regionals. All you're doing is trying to make yourselves feel better about the status of your lives all the while badmouthing the careers of many regional pilots who earn a decent living and are very happy with their lives. Sounds like you two might have been misled by your guidance counselors in high school. Think about it.
MM
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belchfire
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Mamba20, take a look around, get a good
jolt of caffine and wake up...
When are the 73's going to
come out of the desert and start flying for the
mainlines at good pay scales?
They aren't. Why not? Because there are "RJ's"
that are cheaper to operate and are now growing
to the point that the seat mile costs are going
down. Maybe to the point that they will be able
to generate a positive cash flow!
jolt of caffine and wake up...
When are the 73's going to
come out of the desert and start flying for the
mainlines at good pay scales?
They aren't. Why not? Because there are "RJ's"
that are cheaper to operate and are now growing
to the point that the seat mile costs are going
down. Maybe to the point that they will be able
to generate a positive cash flow!
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