bermuda flight planning?

[correctcraft]

I was wondering if I could get some input. We are going to depart KORF to bermuda. (KING AIR 350). My understanding is we need an HF radio or sat Phone?? Also can we file this with flight service?

Thanks

 

[wtrav8r]

I was wondering if I could get some input. We are going to depart KORF to bermuda. (KING AIR 350). My understanding is we need an HF radio or sat Phone?? Also can we file this with flight service?

Thanks

I went thru this drill last year out of HPN. A HF Radio is required if outside of VHF Coverage for more than 30 miutes.

New York Center would not approve a waiver, howver, I know of one 135 Operator who has been able to get a Non-HF Radio Waiver approved. I have no idea how they did it (maybe grandfathered in???), we were flat out denied for a CJ.

Universal WX also confirmed to us that they are not able to give out any waivers (unless your craps out in Bermuda, then they will issue on to come home).

Something else to consider would be to carry enough fuel to return to the Mainland if need be.

Not sure about Flight Service, as we use Universal

 

[iLR60Mac]

• Miami FSS Direct Phone Number- 866-347-0316 can walk you through the flight plan process/filing.
• Other option for filing Inter. Flt. Plan is using COLT or UNIVERSAL Services.
• Must be filed min. 3 hours prior to planned departure time to reduce possible ATC delays.
• Can file International Flight Plan as early as 24hrs. prior to departure.( i.e. night before)

Yes you will need either HF or SatComm. It's easier than most people make it out to be. Just remember that the person you are talking to on HF is only a messenger. So plan way ahead if you have any requests or deviations. Your deviations should parallel your planned route. If you have a UNS on your plane that will be easy. Collins 5000 will do the same.

Do you know what a wet foot print is? Got enough fuel in that 350 to fly to TXKF and back to a suitable alternate? TXKF only has one runway. That would suck if a plane were disabled on the runway just as you got there. Just scenarios to think about.

There is an English Inn near the airport that has a great breakfast. I recommend it. I wish I could remember the name. Great diving around there. Cool caves to explore as well. Tea time is usually at 4 every day. Imagine that. It is a British island. There are scooters everywhere to rent. Even can rent them at most hotels. Take a camera. Great sunrise and sunsets. When you leave I recommend you show up at least an hour and a half early just for fueling. That is unless you do it before you leave for the hotel. Tip well for rides to and from the airport.

I always use Colt International or Universal for flight planning and handling. They will also set up fuel and hotels and rides as you need. You can get your ride there and save a few bucks on the fee of the handler doing it through Colt or Universal. Enjoy.

 

[2000Easyguy]

All spot on! The Swizzle was a cool spot, maybe the one LR60MAC was thinking of?
Go there.:beer:
http://www.swizzleinn.com/about.html
www.swizzleinn.com

 

[2000Easyguy]

Oh, and the guy ('s) at the FBO is/are the best. A swizzle fixture who enjoys scotch!

 

[iLR60Mac]

That's The Place!!!

 

[LJ45]

• Do you know what a wet foot print is? Got enough fuel in that 350 to fly to TXKF and back to a suitable alternate? TXKF only has one runway. That would suck if a plane were disabled on the runway just as you got there. Just scenarios to think about.
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Then you declare and emergency and land before or after the disabled aircraft, which is easy due to the runway lenght, or land on the closed runway that is used as a taxiway. :beer:

 

[getonit]

Oh, and the guy ('s) at the FBO is/are the best. A swizzle fixture who enjoys scotch!

Are you kidding me? Maybe at being your buddy, but the service at BAS sucks and they screw you for it, paid almost $1000 for landing(in a Hawker) there and they did almost nothing. They charged us $72 to take the catering and put in in a refrigerator for 5 hours. Lazy island people.

 

[PUNISHER]

Are you kidding me? Maybe at being your buddy, but the service at BAS sucks and they screw you for it, paid almost $1000 for landing(in a Hawker) there and they did almost nothing. They charged us $72 to take the catering and put in in a refrigerator for 5 hours. Lazy island people.

Very lazy and some are downright A-holes. I've never experienced a more pissy fuel-er. All he could talk about was how I was holding him up because I had to transfer fuel to the fuse-tank in a LR36.

 

[WTF]

Must Have Been A Bad Day

We go there about 3-4 times a month and I can say that the people are far from "island people", Bermudians seem to take pride in their jobs regardless of what hey do. Something that we should take into consideration over here.

The FBO guys, especially Marv are very courteous and helpfull. The wet footprint is something to consider, but if you get out there in your king air and the runway is blocked, there is a huge "taxiway" which was a runway when it was a military base as your emergency alternate should you find yourself in enough trouble to debate turning back to KACK.

Places to stay:

Closest: Grotto Bay - descent, caves to explore on the property, scooters next to the shell station. Currently remodeling units starting closest to the pool.

Downtown: Fairmont Very nice, expensive, lots of shops, main st,shopping, lots of pubs, dance club....

South Beaches: Elbow Beach, very nice, scooter rental on property(the lady "Momma" is hilarious.)

South beaches: Fairmont South Hampton five star very nice, expensive, private beach, diving, snorkeling, rock jumping, volleyball

Swizzle inn there are 2 one by the grotto the other by south beach. Swizzle Inn and Swagger out.

All in all a great change from the typical "islands" I think you will enjoy it. Plan for meals to run 70-100 per day unless you eat very light.

Very lazy and some are downright A-holes. I've never experienced a more pissy fuel-er. All he could talk about was how I was holding him up because I had to transfer fuel to the fuse-tank in a LR36.

 

[wickedpilot]

There is an English Inn near the airport that has a great breakfast. I recommend it. I wish I could remember the name. Great diving around there. Cool caves to explore as well. Tea time is usually at 4 every day. Imagine that. It is a British island. There are scooters everywhere to rent. Even can rent them at most hotels. Take a camera. Great sunrise and sunsets. When you leave I recommend you show up at least an hour and a half early just for fueling. That is unless you do it before you leave for the hotel. Tip well for rides to and from the airport.
. Enjoy.

And remember [when riding the scooter], "THE LEFT SIDE IS THE RIGHT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE IS SUICIDE!" Take advantage of the rum swizzles and my personal favorite, the dark n' stormy.

 

[G100driver]

Then you declare and emergency and land before or after the disabled aircraft, which is easy due to the runway lenght, or land on the closed runway that is used as a taxiway. :beer:

A yea ... sounds like a great plan ... Better plan would be a capable aircraft.

And NO a satcom does NOT satisfy the HF requirement. You MUST have an HF prior to launching. By definition a SATCOM does not meet the requirement. The only place waivers are regularly given are in the NAT.

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/airspace/bermuda20051212.php

 

[LJ45]

A yea ... sounds like a great plan ... Better plan would be a capable aircraft.

And NO a satcom does NOT satisfy the HF requirement. You MUST have an HF prior to launching. By definition a SATCOM does not meet the requirement. The only place waivers are regularly given are in the NAT.

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/airspace/bermuda20051212.php

or just never leave the house unless you have 4 engines and 14 hours of fuel geezz lightn up!

 

[G100driver]

Sorry, Tex.

Not going to lighten up on this one. Either you can or cannot. Guy comes asking for professional advice and I gave it to him.

Just because the boss can afford not fly the airlines he should not be less safe than them.