BDJS...Big Dull Jet Syndrome

[msuspartans24]

Auburn Blows!!!!

 

[ohplease!]

Maybe the Delta pilots will go on strike and Delta will let DCI pilots fly their big planes. We could fly them for 70 seat RJ rates to get them on our porperty and then raise the rates in the next contract. Whatdoya' think guy's?

 

[smfav8r]

Scab!

 

[ohplease!]

Scab!

I know you are but, what am I?

crybaby!:crying:

 

[smfav8r]

I know you are but, what am I?

crybaby!:crying:

This really isn't worth the effort it takes to type, but here it goes.

If you think putting a DAL jet on ASA's or any other regionals property is the answer, your an idiot! Have fun flying a 767 for $70 an hour for the rest of your life.

I've always said that the RJ's don't pay enough, if your an RJ Captain, you should be making a min of $100 an hour as a 2-3 year captain with a cap at 12 years in the $150-$160 area. (for the 50 seat jet, add more for the 70 and add more the 90 seat) This is the answer, not flying bigger equipment for less.

Trust me, DAL and the rest of the mainline's are chomping at the bit to get regional pay and workrules. (hell, we are almost at regional rates) Easy fix, would be to put those aircraft at the regionals.

Delta started this mess with the RJ's at Comair and Comair continued the mess by having crappy pay rates.

The model worked for a period of time in the 90's. This is because everyone was hiring and a regional was a stepping stone to a better job. Not anymore.

Now that the cycle has come to a screaming halt, a regional may be your whole carreer.

Would you rather get paid what you deserve now?

Or would you rather take another pilot's job for crappy pay? And have no future in this business?

And with your comment, I walked the line in 89 with EAL. I'm sure your to young to remember that. Your just another young and cocky RJ pilot who needs a little learning!

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Hey smfav are you serious? LMAO, you are way to easy!

 

[ohplease!]

And with your comment, I walked the line in 89 with EAL. I'm sure your to young to remember that. Your just another young and cocky RJ pilot who needs a little learning!

yep, 26 and already a big airline captain. I'm comin' for your job old guy. AND your cute FA's ( I'm sure your wife's already doin' the pool guy or the neighbor, plus I don't like old nags!).

 

[smfav8r]

Hey smfav are you serious? LMAO, you are way to easy!

Nah, I just can't stand stupid people! Flame-bait or not, that was by far the dumbest comment from Mr. Auburn grad I've ever seen.

 

[hey]

This really isn't worth the effort it takes to type, but here it goes.

If you think putting a DAL jet on ASA's or any other regionals property is the answer, your an idiot! Have fun flying a 767 for $70 an hour for the rest of your life.

I've always said that the RJ's don't pay enough, if your an RJ Captain, you should be making a min of $100 an hour as a 2-3 year captain with a cap at 12 years in the $150-$160 area. (for the 50 seat jet, add more for the 70 and add more the 90 seat) This is the answer, not flying bigger equipment for less.

Trust me, DAL and the rest of the mainline's are chomping at the bit to get regional pay and workrules. (hell, we are almost at regional rates) Easy fix, would be to put those aircraft at the regionals.

Delta started this mess with the RJ's at Comair and Comair continued the mess by having crappy pay rates.

The model worked for a period of time in the 90's. This is because everyone was hiring and a regional was a stepping stone to a better job. Not anymore.

Now that the cycle has come to a screaming halt, a regional may be your whole carreer.

Would you rather get paid what you deserve now?

Or would you rather take another pilot's job for crappy pay? And have no future in this business?

And with your comment, I walked the line in 89 with EAL. I'm sure your to young to remember that. Your just another young and cocky RJ pilot who needs a little learning!

I think most people were able to pick up on this, but let me explain....

<--- this is called a "winky." The winky is commonly used to show that the author of the post/thread is joking and thus, not to be taken seriously.

 

[smfav8r]

I think most people were able to pick up on this, but let me explain....

<--- this is called a "winky." The winky is commonly used to show that the author of the post/thread is joking and thus, not to be taken seriously.

Understand the winky, but let me fill you in on my fustration.

I went out to dinner with a friend of mine who happens to be a management consultant for DAL the other night. DAL wants to outsource ALL of there domestic flying to DCI! DAL is trying to figure out how to accomplish this without causing the pilots to strike, thus putting DAL into chapter 7. By the way, if mother Delta goes down, so does DCI.

So the fact that young DCI capt. with the maturity level of my 3 year old would make a statement like that scares the hell out of me.

If he said it, even in jest, you can bet there are 5000 young and dumb pilots behind him that are willing to do it.

So let's say that DAL gets there wish and DCI crew's all the domestic flying. How long before MESA or Trans States puts a proposal in front of DAL management proving that they can save DAL $10mil per year on the domestic route structure since there crews fly the same equipment for less.

Now all of the current DCI crews that took the DAL jobs are out of a job. Where does it end?

Can you see the problem?

I don't even work for DAL, but as a pilot, it bugs me.

What is with this younger generation of pilots? Fly for next to nothing to achieve what, that major job. It's never going to be available if you keep flying for free.

And I don't get the cockiness and lack of maturity. I will not let me wife and kids fly on a RJ because of this.

And for Mr Auburn, guess what, at 25 I was a captain on a Real Jet built by Boeing, not some POS Canadian RJ, making about twice your current salary years ago. (I actually have the experience to call it a POS unlike yourself)

And my wife wouldn't touch a childish boy like yourself, your loss, she's really good.

Keep killing the job boys, enjoy the race to the bottom!

 

[General Lee]

Maybe the Delta pilots will go on strike and Delta will let DCI pilots fly their big planes. We could fly them for 70 seat RJ rates to get them on our porperty and then raise the rates in the next contract. Whatdoya' think guy's?

SCAB alert. Wow, I can't believe he stated that. He just keeps digging himself into a bigger hole.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Understand the winky, but let me fill you in on my fustration.

I went out to dinner with a friend of mine who happens to be a management consultant for DAL the other night. DAL wants to outsource ALL of there domestic flying to DCI! DAL is trying to figure out how to accomplish this without causing the pilots to strike, thus putting DAL into chapter 7. By the way, if mother Delta goes down, so does DCI.

So the fact that young DCI capt. with the maturity level of my 3 year old would make a statement like that scares the hell out of me.

If he said it, even in jest, you can bet there are 5000 young and dumb pilots behind him that are willing to do it.

So let's say that DAL gets there wish and DCI crew's all the domestic flying. How long before MESA or Trans States puts a proposal in front of DAL management proving that they can save DAL $10mil per year on the domestic route structure since there crews fly the same equipment for less.

Now all of the current DCI crews that took the DAL jobs are out of a job. Where does it end?

Can you see the problem?

I don't even work for DAL, but as a pilot, it bugs me.

What is with this younger generation of pilots? Fly for next to nothing to achieve what, that major job. It's never going to be available if you keep flying for free.

And I don't get the cockiness and lack of maturity. I will not let me wife and kids fly on a RJ because of this.

And for Mr Auburn, guess what, at 25 I was a captain on a Real Jet built by Boeing, not some POS Canadian RJ, making about twice your current salary years ago. (I actually have the experience to call it a POS unlike yourself)

And my wife wouldn't touch a childish boy like yourself, your loss, she's really good.

Keep killing the job boys, enjoy the race to the bottom!

All of the domestic flying, eh? Even the 757s from SEA to ATL? Riiight. We won't allow that, nope. Bring on the liquidation in that case. Tell your friend it won't happen. We lost all of the loyalists--the 2300 senior guys that would have voted for that. We are junior now, and won't give it up. If it goes away in chap 7, sobeit.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Delta May Be In Better Shape Then Projected

Delta's five year plan starting in has already significantly reduced costs.
By Associated Press
Wednesday, March 22, 2006
(AP) _ A pilots union economic expert says Delta Air Lines is in better competitive shape than its executives portray.
The expert testified in an arbitration hearing yesterday that Delta has performed so well recently that it doesn't need any of the 325 (m) million dollars in cuts it is seeking from its pilots.



How many concessions do you think we will give again? Yeah, I think we will give our scope away to save what? Our Pensions? Wrong. What else is there to bargain for? A bad job getting worse? Riiiiiiight.



Bye Bye--General Lee




Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[uba757]

General, PYLT, etc. I'll tell you this: If you guys walk, I will be right behind you. I don't care what anyone says. I don't agree with you guys on many things but this is one I do agree with. All DCI and Mother Delta pilots need to be unified on walking. WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE A STAND. I am going back to CMR because I think Delta is turning things around but believe me, I will not hesitate to walk. UBA757

 

[Hawker dude]

Understand the winky, but let me fill you in on my fustration.

I went out to dinner with a friend of mine who happens to be a management consultant for DAL the other night. DAL wants to outsource ALL of there domestic flying to DCI! DAL is trying to figure out how to accomplish this without causing the pilots to strike, thus putting DAL into chapter 7. By the way, if mother Delta goes down, so does DCI.

So the fact that young DCI capt. with the maturity level of my 3 year old would make a statement like that scares the hell out of me.

If he said it, even in jest, you can bet there are 5000 young and dumb pilots behind him that are willing to do it.

So let's say that DAL gets there wish and DCI crew's all the domestic flying. How long before MESA or Trans States puts a proposal in front of DAL management proving that they can save DAL $10mil per year on the domestic route structure since there crews fly the same equipment for less.

Now all of the current DCI crews that took the DAL jobs are out of a job. Where does it end?

Can you see the problem?

I don't even work for DAL, but as a pilot, it bugs me.

What is with this younger generation of pilots? Fly for next to nothing to achieve what, that major job. It's never going to be available if you keep flying for free.

And I don't get the cockiness and lack of maturity. I will not let me wife and kids fly on a RJ because of this.

And for Mr Auburn, guess what, at 25 I was a captain on a Real Jet built by Boeing, not some POS Canadian RJ, making about twice your current salary years ago. (I actually have the experience to call it a POS unlike yourself)

And my wife wouldn't touch a childish boy like yourself, your loss, she's really good.

Keep killing the job boys, enjoy the race to the bottom!

God with all these regional guys talking s#*t and fighting with each other, it sure is nice to find someone who makes since and has noticed what has happened over the last 10-12 that has caused the demise of the dream.

Why don't you tell those young guys that back in the day all the FA's were hot, not fat a**es like most of todays FA's.

 

[smfav8r]

All of the domestic flying, eh? Even the 757s from SEA to ATL? Riiight. We won't allow that, nope. Bring on the liquidation in that case. Tell your friend it won't happen. We lost all of the loyalists--the 2300 senior guys that would have voted for that. We are junior now, and won't give it up. If it goes away in chap 7, sobeit.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Should have clarified General, All of the domestic flying except Trans-Con and some high load/yield domestic routes.

There was even an idea kicked around of a code-share with Airtran.

If you can think of a way to get screwed out of a job, Delta has already reviewed it!

Good luck y'all, watch out for those SCABS, I'm sure there licking there chops right now to get on that heavy equipment.

 

[D'Angelo]

This really isn't worth the effort it takes to type, but here it goes.

If you think putting a DAL jet on ASA's or any other regionals property is the answer, your an idiot! Have fun flying a 767 for $70 an hour for the rest of your life.

I've always said that the RJ's don't pay enough, if your an RJ Captain, you should be making a min of $100 an hour as a 2-3 year captain with a cap at 12 years in the $150-$160 area. (for the 50 seat jet, add more for the 70 and add more the 90 seat) This is the answer, not flying bigger equipment for less.

Trust me, DAL and the rest of the mainline's are chomping at the bit to get regional pay and workrules. (hell, we are almost at regional rates) Easy fix, would be to put those aircraft at the regionals.

Delta started this mess with the RJ's at Comair and Comair continued the mess by having crappy pay rates.

The model worked for a period of time in the 90's. This is because everyone was hiring and a regional was a stepping stone to a better job. Not anymore.

Now that the cycle has come to a screaming halt, a regional may be your whole carreer.

Would you rather get paid what you deserve now?

Or would you rather take another pilot's job for crappy pay? And have no future in this business?

And with your comment, I walked the line in 89 with EAL. I'm sure your to young to remember that. Your just another young and cocky RJ pilot who needs a little learning!

Haha $100/hr to start for a plane is a money LOSER? You have got to be kidding me. Lets be realistic here the 50 seat plane is a money loser. Sure when fuel costs are low its ok but those days are over. $150 top out for the RJ? Most majors don't top out at that for the 737. Sorry the job really isn't that hard. I can see making that for planes with low cost per seat mile but the RJ is ridiculous. Its a nice plane to fly and ive enjoyed my time in it but lets be real here. The RJ is 100% dependant on major airline feed. Sorry theres no way to command that kind of money. As far as the 70 seater goes we still do quite well even with the paycut at comair thank you very much. Maybe you just want us to price ourselves out of the market so you can get the flying back. Sorry ain't gonna happen. We live in the real world not fantasy land.

 

[smfav8r]

Haha $100/hr to start for a plane is a money LOSER? You have got to be kidding me. Lets be realistic here the 50 seat plane is a money loser. Sure when fuel costs are low its ok but those days are over. $150 top out for the RJ? Most majors don't top out at that for the 737. Sorry the job really isn't that hard. I can see making that for planes with low cost per seat mile but the RJ is ridiculous. Its a nice plane to fly and ive enjoyed my time in it but lets be real here. The RJ is 100% dependant on major airline feed. Sorry theres no way to command that kind of money. As far as the 70 seater goes we still do quite well even with the paycut at comair thank you very much. Maybe you just want us to price ourselves out of the market so you can get the flying back. Sorry ain't gonna happen. We live in the real world not fantasy land.

If that's the case, then why did Piedmont pay $70+ per hour on the F28 for a 2nd year captain in the mid 80's. Or why was the pay at USAir on the DC9-10 capped at about 150 per hour in the mid 80's. NWA and DAL had about the same rate in the mid 80's on there 9's. Same size equipment, same routes, about the same payrate I said would be reasonable, but 20 years ago.

It can be done, it should be done, but the regional pilot groups will not be unified and fight the good fight. Management knows this and we all loose.

If you shoot for the stars, maybe you'll get the moon. This is the way to look at it.

But if everyone just wants to aim low, enjoy the continued race to the bottom.

 

[BSlapped]

smfav8r - WTFO!

I can't take it - I've got to throw out a huge BS flag here!

smfav8r - I know who you are. I went to college with you. You didn't walk the line with EAL. You were never employed by EAL. When the EAL pilots were walking the line in 1989 you were still in high school and trying to figure out what your d**k was for and how to get a student pilot license! Where do you get off spouting off sh!t like that? The employess of EAL suffered through a lot under Lorenzo - don't try to prop yourself up by saying that you were there - you weren't and it's an insult to those who were there! In a post on another thread, you admit to being born in the 70's (1971 if I recall correctly)! I graduated college in 1992, a year before you. That makes you too young to be at EAL.

Also, at 25 you weren't a Captain of anything. That's around the time that you bought your way into a FE slot at Kiwi airlines with about 500 hours under your belt. To be honest here (someone's got to be!), you have never been a Captain of any Boeing product - you do have a couple years of FO time in the right seat of a 727 but you've never served in the left seat of a Boeing. I will give you credit for flying left seat in an A320 for a nonsched and an RJ for a regional but that didn't start until about 2 years ago - you were about 33 at the time.

And where do you get the nerve to call other people cocky and immature? Look in the mirror! When we were in college you were always a little full of yourself but since you left your arrogance has skyrocketed to unbelieveable levels and that's why you haven't seen me in a long time. Looks like that trend will continue! I've read some of your other posts on here and the BS is just as deep on those threads.

Get off your high horse, man. Owned!

BSlapped!

 

[doh]

Maybe the Delta pilots will go on strike and Delta will let DCI pilots fly their big planes. We could fly them for 70 seat RJ rates to get them on our porperty and then raise the rates in the next contract. Whatdoya' think guy's?

My father went to Auburn. You are a disgrace! ONE FINGER SALUTE to you as one of the biggest doosch bags on this board.uke:

 

[ohplease!]

My father went to Auburn. You are a disgrace! ONE FINGER SALUTE to you as one of the biggest doosch bags on this board.uke:

and you OBVIOUSLY were not smart enough to get into AU. Dumbass!

 

[737 Pylt]

and you OBVIOUSLY were not smart enough to get into AU. Dumbass!

What a shame, you give AU grads such a bad name!
737

 

[Blucher]

Nevermind.

 

[ohplease!]

What a shame, you give AU grads such a bad name!
737

what a bunch of idiots! Have you no sense of humor? Do you not get sarcasm? Hello?!?!?! This just goes to prove my point that 90% of you guy's on here don't have a f'n clue.

 

[D'Angelo]

what a bunch of idiots! Have you no sense of humor? Do you not get sarcasm? Hello?!?!?! This just goes to prove my point that 90% of you guy's on here don't have a f'n clue.

Hey at least this guy has his own personality and doesnt have to spout off the same old hold the line rhetoric crap over and over.

 

[instructordude]

I'd love to command an RJ for 70/hr. Fly overtime and you could be making close to 100K!!!

 

[$$$4nothin]

There will never be any Boeing or Airbus products flown at regionals for 50 seat rates. I have never flown with anybody at my regional who would fly anything that big for that pay. I can't believe there are actually people flying at regionals at the present time that would. "well maybe g0jet guys". So that leaves flight instructors to come up and fill the void. You must have an ATP to fly at any Major, which takes all of these flight instructors out of the picture. I could be wrong. Just my $.02. Keep up the good fight.

 

[Eric]

<--- this is called a "winky." The winky is commonly used to show that the author of the post/thread is joking and thus, not to be taken seriously.[/quote]


So, when my girlfriend left me because I have a small winky, does that mean my jokes aren't funny?

 

[737 Pylt]

what a bunch of idiots! Have you no sense of humor? Do you not get sarcasm? Hello?!?!?! This just goes to prove my point that 90% of you guy's on here don't have a f'n clue.

Hey, shouldn't you be out trolling the high school parking lots in uniform letting all the chicks know you're Captain cool!?! Get a life loser!
737

 

[ohplease!]

Hey, shouldn't you be out trolling the high school parking lots in uniform letting all the chicks know you're Captain cool!?! Get a life loser!
737

awww. that hurt.

I guess that would be a lot like you coming onto a regional message board and trying to show all the lowly regional pilots what a cool mainline guy you are, huh?

I'm wondering, if your life is sooo grand being a really awsome Delta pilot....why is it that you're coming to this forum and trying to impress me/us?