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UPDATE 3-Brink's shares rise on BAX unit sale report
Thu Jun 16, 2005 01:59 PM ET
(Adds MMI reaction, details, updates share price)


NEW YORK, June 16 (Reuters) - Shares of Brink's Co. (BCO.N: Quote, Profile, Research) rose as much as 16.9 percent on Thursday after a newspaper report said the company, known for its armored car and home security business, has put its transportation and logistics unit up for sale.

Brink's may sell its BAX Global unit that moves heavy cargo through a network of planes trucks and ships, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing people familiar with the matter.

A Brink's spokesman would not comment on the report.

Brink's largest shareholder, MMI Investments LP, had suggested in April that a sale of the unit could improve Brink's share price and help the company pay off its legacy costs.

The New York-based hedge fund estimated in an April U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filing that the BAX unit could fetch proceeds of up to $500 million, roughly 10 times its price-to-cash flow.

With more than 11,000 employees, the unit had sales last year of $2.4 billion. But it has struggled to turn a profit, posting a net loss over the last five years of $50 million, MMI said.

"We expected that sooner or later they would acknowledge that this is the correct course of action and there's no greater indicator than today's reaction in the stock price that selling BAX is the right course of action to follow," said Jerome Lande, an assistant portfolio manager at MMI.

Strong balance sheets of global transport companies that might acquire BAX, and recent strength in the cargo market, make it a particularly ripe time to sell the company, Lande added.

The move would also give investors a clearer picture of Brink's, an analyst said on Thursday.

"Even if the purchase price was less than $500 million, that would still be a positive for the stock," said James Clement an analyst at Sidoti & Co.

BAX Global is a corporate descendant of the Burlington Northern railroad, which created an air-freight division purchased by Brink's in 1982. The unit was renamed BAX Global in 1997, the newspaper said.

After some profit-taking in afternoon trading, Brink's shares were up $4.46 or 13.9 percent at $36.41 on the New York Stock Exchange.
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Industry speculation is that UPS might be a player for it to consolidate it's hold on the heavy air freight market. If UPS buys BAX what happens to ATI? What is the relationship of ATI to BAX? Could be another Challenge or Menlo situation of this happens. Or since ATI is a division of Brinks, UPS could just buy BAX and leave ATI to wither on the vine as the TOL would be closed and the operations moved to SDF.
 
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Does CAT fly for BAX right now?
 
T-Gates said:
I don't know of any CAT planes flying BAX

Whoops, got Custom and Capitol confused.
 
I think your just bad luck Adm. Beeds! I had a good thing going here at Cappy, you show up, and now their selling our customer.

Last time I drag you along........

Hopefully nothing will come of it, but this IS aviation. Who knows, I guess i'll try and enjoy this gig while I can.
 
T-Gates said:
Well if thats how you feel....FINE!

I'm just gonna have to send back the cheese and sausage basket......

Cheese and Sausage, ain't that what's on the menu at the hub on Monday?

I hope BAX(and we Cappyites) make it through this, guess we're gonna have to get on all that DHL flying(sorry guys, I couldn't resist).
 
flyinyourShorts said:
I hope BAX(and we Cappyites) make it through this, guess we're gonna have to get on all that DHL flying(sorry guys, I couldn't resist).

Unfortunately for the Astar and ABX pilots that's exactly what's going to happen. All the contractors that were kicked out of DAY and possibly TOL will be beating on DHL's door for a piece of their's action, and will probably get some as their costs are so much lower that Astar's and ABX's.
 
starcheckdriver said:
So, then is Cappy in trouble business-wise with all this BAX talk or will they be able to get contracts to keep the airline going?

If someone like UPS comes in and buys BAX, then Cappy would be in trouble because all the flying would be done by UPS pilots. I don't know how many airplanes they have dedicated to the TOL operation.
 
I guess my other confusion with all this is.....if UPS were to buy BAX, where are they going to get the planes needed to cover these routes? I didn't think UPS and Fedex had planes just laying around waiting for more routes to pop up.
 
IHaveAPension said:
Unfortunately for the Astar and ABX pilots that's exactly what's going to happen. All the contractors that were kicked out of DAY and possibly TOL will be beating on DHL's door for a piece of their's action, and will probably get some as their costs are so much lower that Astar's and ABX's.

Well that just might be the case, and it would certainly suck from a credit hours stand point, but, we still have about 7 years left on our ACMI with DHL so AStar is gonna be gettin paid whether or not we fly the stuff. So, if DHL wants to pay us and yall to fly the same volume we have now, then they can help themselves. Performance record sitss around 98.5 to 99.5% depending on what sector or month you look at. DHL has already had their a$$ handed to em by firing all the DHL drivers in favor of cheaper Airborne drivers cause service went through the floor. That was what Airborne evidently refered to as their "quality discount". That little decision cost DHL Americas president John Fellows his job and the new one John Mullen seems to be cluing in the folks in Brussels that just cause you slap DHL on the side of the truck, if the service still stinks, US customers won't buy it and you will lose money. Like putting perfume on a hog.

DHL might keep rolling the dice and throwing bags of money down the crapper, but they don't seem to like the results right now, since Mullen's last press release said that they were going to be focused on service for a while.

We'll see....
 
starcheckdriver said:
I thought all of Capital's planes were for BAX contracts out of TOL. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Argh Matie, there is a lone airplane flying out of MIA for DHL!! Seems ASTAR and ABX are just too high priced in that market!! Shiver me timbers!!

CCIA recently washed a lass out of training that had 4000 hours, no big airplane time, and had only flown single pilot!! Do you starcheckdriver still think you can make it through training with your 208 time?? Seems to the ol' capn you may just consign yourself to davey jonses locker!! Good luck!!
 
Hey Feathersword, where've you been. You had me laughing so hard with your previous posts...but then the laughter died.

Nice to see you're still swimming around.

"honks on Bobo"...classic!
 
CCIA recently washed a lass out of training that had 4000 hours, no big airplane time, and had only flown single pilot!! Do you starcheckdriver still think you can make it through training with your 208 time?? Seems to the ol' capn you may just consign yourself to davey jonses locker!! Good luck!!

Well, if I had interviewed and been offered a training date at CCIA, maybe I would be worried. But, I have had neither of the above happen, so I am feeling okay about it! Not to worry, I am flying the Lear 35 in a two pilot cockpit beginning July 5. So, hopefully that will help me with the training at Capital if and when I get a slot there.
 
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You ain't missin a thang bro. If you enjoy signing your life away at the tune of $15grand for a training contract (with no 727 type) then good on ya. But it ain't worth it. I stand corrected if this isn't the case anymore, but if it is it is raWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
 
flyinyourShorts said:
Cheese and Sausage, ain't that what's on the menu at the hub on Monday?

I hope BAX(and we Cappyites) make it through this, guess we're gonna have to get on all that DHL flying(sorry guys, I couldn't resist).

Hope things work out for you guys at Cappy my man. Let me know when you're a seven 2 CA. You can buy me that long deserved round of brewskies. I've got the perfect place in TOL to grab a couple.

Rook
 
mrvmo said:
You ain't missin a thang bro. If you enjoy signing your life away at the tune of $15grand for a training contract (with no 727 type) then good on ya. But it ain't worth it. I stand corrected if this isn't the case anymore, but if it is it is raWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Does CCIA require a training agreement for new hires? If so, how long is it? This wouldn't surprise me since most 121 regionals are requiring an agreement and of course you are not guaranteed a type rating there either.
 
Last I heard ...

Cappi had a 2 year / 15K plan. Pro-rated / month.

After 1 year = $7500 ...

I guesss to keep low timers from grabbing a few hundred hours jet time and jumping ship. Not really sure the reason, but others are doing it.

I think World had a 20k plan. Amerijet does too I think.

It beats 'pay for training'. Truth is, most carriers just pay poop for the first year to recoupe training costs ... it all works out to be the same in the end ...

If anyone knows of others ... toss it out ...
 
starcheckdriver said:
Well, if I had interviewed and been offered a training date at CCIA, maybe I would be worried. But, I have had neither of the above happen, so I am feeling okay about it! Not to worry, I am flying the Lear 35 in a two pilot cockpit beginning July 5. So, hopefully that will help me with the training at Capital if and when I get a slot there.

If and when matie?? I thought you knew Petie Foxx personally!!

So let me get this straight?? Your going to have airnet spend money to train you on another airplane, then jump ship right after that to fly for Cappy?? Me parrot says your about as usefull as barnicle on the hull of the HMS Feathersword!!

Shiver me timbers, I hope you got a great insider, a short call to extension five would take care of you!! AAARRRRGGGGG!!
 
Feathersword said:
If and when matie?? I thought you knew Petie Foxx personally!!

So let me get this straight?? Your going to have airnet spend money to train you on another airplane, then jump ship right after that to fly for Cappy?? Me parrot says your about as usefull as barnicle on the hull of the HMS Feathersword!!

Shiver me timbers, I hope you got a great insider, a short call to extension five would take care of you!! AAARRRRGGGGG!!

Well, my sources tell me that there won't be any jumping ship to Cappy anytime soon. I understand there will not be a FO class for 3-4 months minimum. Also, we are going under the assumption that I will survive the interview and be offered a class. Knowing Peter Fox just got my resume in the door. Beyond that, I assume it is up to me to make it through an interview and training. What is extension five?
 
Ati..

We at ATI were caught off guard also. We are in the process or hiring 8 FO's and I don't know where they will come from. During our last contract the PFE's got 20k to get licenses and upgrade. 10 or so have done it. But we recently got a new CP and he is not waving the 750 min to upgrade from Switch Biatch to Bird Deflector. We have 4 combi's that keep busy in the Pacific and the east coast for AMC and the other 70's in the BAX operation. Only time will tell what happens. The big question is who will buy BAX and will ATI come with it. In the past, Brinks tried really hard to tell us we are a separate entity from BAX but from the article on TWSJ said BAX had a fleet of 18 airplanes and that's what we have.
 

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