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SpeedBug

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Well,

Changing careers going back to my original job prior to corporate jockey. Received my letter today confirming my reemployment with the US Marshals Service, got my waiver for the short class, being prior Federal Law Enforcement.

Four weeks at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco GA then off to my old stomping grounds in the fugitive capital of the world Los Angeles California, going back to the Central District running with my old group the Fugitive Task Force.

My old boss is still there and pulled some string to get me back in and I’m looking forward to it big time. Not knocking aviation but now, I wish I’d never left the USMS.

Ya’ll have fun!

SpeedBug

:cool:
 
Flying Marshall

Have you checked into flying for the USMS?

I happen to know the USMS is looking to contract some MD80s for prisioner transport. It is not certain if the USMS will use their own pilots or those of the MD80 provider. Why not try surf and turf instead of surf or turf! Be a flying Fed.

Or once back consider transferring to the US Customs or similar Federal flying job. My dad flew for the US Customs and they are hiring. I know of a fellow TWA/AA pilot on fulough that just got hired by US Customs.

Goog Luck,

Jeff

PS: Get your A$$ above your hands.......oh wait....that's your line!
 
I flew fo the USCS for 9.5 years. I thought it was so boring. No job satisfaction. I went to the airlines, furloughed 19 months later. Part of me now wishes I was back with the Customs Service. If I could have done it all again, knowing what I know now, I still would have left them. Even though I am living it up here in the sand box.
j
 
Good move. This aviation stuff just gets nastier and nastier and the people that you have to work with become more and more disgruntled ineffective and just plain stupid.
 
TurboS7 said:
Good move. This aviation stuff just gets nastier and nastier and the people that you have to work with become more and more disgruntled ineffective and just plain stupid.

The industry is nasty, but I seem to get along very well with most of the folks I work with.
 
Jeff,

For your information the USMS has several MD80's, a couple of 727's, 2- HS125's and 2 LR25's. They use their own pilots, but have used contract pilots from time to time. From what I understand they are fully staffed right now, but that can change. Coming from inside the MS should speed things up quite a bit. But for someone from the outside (civilian) the process can take up to a year before you actually start work. The major base for the USMS is OKC. The other major base is ELP/TUS. I tried to get on with them. It's kind of a neat deal. Work Monday through Friday. Normal type working hours (day time). All Federal holidays off. The down side is that you are dealing with a lot of dirty, smelly bad guys with attitudes and a large number of people with high powered weapons. Other than that.
 
USMS

I just checked yesterday with the USMS in ATL and they said there not currently hiring. Im waiting to hear back from the military to see if I got in. THis waitng game is getting old and Im ready to do something.

Is working for the USMS fun? Im also trying the USPS and the IRS. Whats the typical day like if thats possible at the USMS?
 
..as opposed to "low" powered weapons?
j
 
Currently the USMS is only testing for military candidates from what I understand. This is for initial appointment to a federal law enforcement position only, also disabled military as well.

Former sworn USMS personnel can return to employment on an as needed basis with a LOR from a former supervisor and upon meeting the basis requirements for the background investigation, FIT and medical exams.

By former boss was the one who approached me about a year ago to come back, just after the 9/11 attacks. I put my paperwork in just before December and it took till now to jump thru all the hoops and get the final nod.

As for flying for the USMS, that was the very reason I joined them several years ago, but I quickly found out that most of the pilots we employ are former military with more hours than an albatross and has flown everything the military owns including the box it came in. One of the transport guys told me to keep trying but he was saying then, that I would need around 5,000 hrs to make the cut.

So I went on to a very positive career with fugitive investigations early on and just continued to CFI until I started doing small charters on my days off building some time to my current gig.

As for a typical day with the USMS, there is no such creature.

Being posted to Central and Southern CA. we always had something or someone to look for. 70 to 80 percent of your job was just plain ole footwork, knocking on doors, talking to people and checking up on any tips that may have come in thru any of our hotlines.

Occasionally we would get a federal warrant from the US attorneys Office that had priority for a reason or another and we’d move on it. Those were the adrenalin pumping one, getting geared up, moving quick on a suspected location, going in with a dynamic entry (no-knock) and taking down a federal felon or such.

It’s really awesome work, you feel as if you are making the community better because all of our arrest are felony arrests and 75 to 80% of them are bad guys on the run for parole violation, escape or felony federal charges.

The only downside is, it’s police work.

You get to see the worst society has to offer. Right before I left to go to work for my present employer I was involved in a raid in West Hollywood where we were looking for two brothers wanted on murder warrants, they had killed a US Customs Agent.

During the raid one of the brothers began shooting and killed his girl friend and two other acquaintances in the house. My supervisor and two LAPD SWAT guys had to shoot him.

I’ve also been on the trail of a fugitive sitting outside a motel waiting to make a visual confirmation, watching a prostitute go inside the room only to be robbed and murdered before we could get there and take the bad guy into custody.

Days usually ran from (normal hrs) 8AM to dark and on days with operations planned they ran from whenever the boss told you till whenever the boss told you. I’ve spent two straight days sitting in the back of a van, no shower, no toothbrush, nothing but you, your partner and a pair for binoculars waiting for someone to just show you his/her face.

I guess its kind of like being in a military unit that deploys a lot to a lot of hot spots if you love that kind of thing then the USMS is for you.

Oh yea…

They’re changing it around a bit, but when I hired on you spent your first year doing nothing but prisoner escort and working part time on fugitive investigations. Now they are hiring two type of marshal’s 0082’s for prisoner escort and 1811’s for investigation only so clarify this with HR before you sign on the dotted line.

SpeedBug
 
This aviation stuff just gets nastier and nastier and the people that you have to work with become more and more disgruntled ineffective and just plain stupid.

I AGREE! That's been my experience too, but only when concerning a large group of pilots at CAL and some that worked for Eastern for a short time. Otherwise the people I work with are just regular people who have good days and bad ones just like anyone else. I don't like to make generalizations individuals based on a precieved reputation, but I have yet to find a scab like Turbo (and I know way too many others) that isn't a pathetic loser and a poor example of our profession.
 
Speedbug - internal transfer

Speedbug:

If you are a cop first and pilot second at your organization, you should be a contender with 3300 hours. Don't set your own limits by saying the guys getting out of the military have tons of hours, etc. You have been invited back to the job, obtained more flight experience, etc. Work the internal connections for a transfer to the flight department.


Additional MD80s may be coming via a contract-121 carrier in the near future. The jockies may come from the contrator or the USMS.

If someone tells you no, fill out the paper work any way.

Jeff
 
SpeedBug

What branch of Fed LE in your opinion would be the most fun and exciting to work for. Someone told me that USMS tops out like at GS13. True?
 
USMS tops out at GS11 from what I remember; now there may be changes coming under the pending Homeland Security Bill. I know the bill includes legislation that would raise the starting salary for the USMS from GS5 to GS7.

As far as what agency to work for it really depends on you and what you want to do for a career.

If you like good ole fashion police work I would suggest the USMS, US Customs, Border Patrol, DEA, or INS. These guys all spend a lot of time pounding the pavement, following leads sometimes very hot leads and as in the case of the MS can jump from one case to another if the situation warrants it.

For instance

Say you report to work, normal day nothing planned. You would begin the day by reviewing any priors or outstanding cases that may need your attention, completing paperwork etc…

Then out of nowhere you get a tip from a hotline or a LEO sighting of a fugitive, you jump to work, high gear. Say this lead takes you to a house on any street in any town it could be across town or across the state. While conducting surveillance on the house you witness drug activity. Now it moves into a drug case which can take on a whole new life of its own. It may involve local PD or SO, state authorities etc… or you may be given orders to move on your own with it for various legal and technical reasons. By the end of the shift you may be involved with a long-term surveillance setup or even a bust.

If you were more into the nuts and bolts of LE I would go the FBI or BATF route. These guys are typically cutting edge agencies, use science over footwork and spend more time in the office in front of a computer or on a phone than in the field. Then when it comes time to make the arrest, if it’s a high risk warrant they call in a special team to make the arrest. These guys are called Jump Squads, kind of like mini SWAT teams.
Where as with us we are our own take down team. We train to do it all from non-eventful arrests to covert and dynamic entry into a residents to make a felony fugitive arrest. We have the backing for the US Attorneys Office when to comes to warrants, its nice being able to stay at the scene faxing over your affidavit for search, sending video or audio as well via secure data link and then having an attorney from the district office of the US Attorney march it before a judge for you.

As soon as the warrant is signed we get it via fax, or verbal via a phone and we can immediately go.

The USMS is also one of the most respected and oldest law enforcement agencies in the land.

I find the USMS far more dynamic and exciting work than most other agencies, but if I had to choose another agency to work for I would probably work for US Customs, DEA or INS.

SpeedBug
 
Speed Bug

Thanks for the very informative post. I think personally I would enjoy the work of the USMS, Customs, or INS the most.

The FBI or ATF gig doesnt sound like as much fun. I would want to be out pounding the pavement rather than sitting behind a computer screen all day.
Thanks!
 
If you are a pilot for Customs, you are considered a pilot first and a cop second. So unless you are outside the US the flying gets to be pretty routine. Not a lot of time off and it is hard to plan way ahead. But you do get to fly both helos and FW if you are dual rated, which 2/3's of the pilots are. The work is stable, journeyman level is 13 but overall I am glad I left. Good bunch of guys though(gals too)
 

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