B6Driver and Smarta$$

[B6Driver]

We live in a land of law's. I don't make the law's but I will do my best to ensure all those promises are kept. We want JB to keep their promises made but you fault me for demanding the same of ALPA. Please help me understand the disconnect?

 

[Splert]

Wisdom > the law.

Not everything that is legal is either moral or wise.

ALPA is an association of pilots. I fail to see the wisdom in sttempting to collect from a new hire Mesa FO single dime.

You are pissed at ALPA so you do.

Fact.

 

[B6Driver]

It is sad that others are left accountable for the unwise and immoral actions and past decisions of ALPA. It is ALPA that that will ultimately make that final decision as to who will pay in the end, not I.

 

[Splert]

It is sad that others are left accountable for the unwise and immoral actions and past decisions of ALPA. It is ALPA that that will ultimately make that final decision as to who will pay in the end, not I.

That there is classic a rationalization.

You don't want accountability. You want money from pilots, people, who are innocent bystanders - not even member when you were integrated in 2001.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Huh? $ from Mesa pilots?
Explain, please.

 

[Splert]

The idea being spread by key pilots at JetBlue is that we would be liable for damages to former TWA pilots if we voted in ALPA.

Billions.

If that is true then a new hire Mesa pilot who was not in the business in 2001 would also be liable.

Seems like B6Driver would not wait more than second to cash their check.

 

[B6Driver]

ALPA has less and less money every day so you can be certain that I will cash any cash award check coming my way ASAP.
Splert's rationale is a real leap but he is entitled to make it because this is just an opinion board after all.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

The idea being spread by key pilots at JetBlue is that we would be liable for damages to former TWA pilots if we voted in ALPA.

Billions.

If that is true then a new hire Mesa pilot who was not in the business in 2001 would also be liable.

Seems like B6Driver would not wait more than second to cash their check.

EXACTLY which "key pilots" by name are "spreading this info?
Yes, by name.

 

[Splert]

Splert's rationale is a real leap ...

Cash flow is from only one source and that is dues from members.

Do they have another division? Maybe they are in the porn industry too and have a cash flow stream from that in which you can tap into.

Were is ALPA cash flow from since I made a real leap?

Where is it? I thought the TWA gang said ALPA doesn't have enough insurance and members will be accessed.

 

[B6Driver]

ALPA sells their services for hire to outside groups. SWAPA and the APA are just a few. ALPA laying the burden upon members like you mentioned is totally unfair but they make those decisions with out my input. I will be happy to volunteer you in exchange so the first year Masa pilots will not be harmed. Generous guy like yourself would probably have no problem with that.

 

[BeachBummer]

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[Splert]

That is about $500,000 of the "billions".

You want money from me too?

I thought this was about holding people accountable?

There you have it. Old man TWA/AA/B6/D2driver wants money from a new hire FO at Mesa to pay for his failed career at a failed airline and his perceived* harm at the hands of ALPA and the APA.

*You would have still been furloughed if APA accepted the TWA MEC first offer of 5 to 1 integration with 800 stapled ... right!

 

[B6Driver]

Never said I was old but that's OK. ALPA takes in "BILLIONS" a year from dues you say? They should be able to pay the "lack of accountability" bill with little problems and not burden the poor little Masa fledgling. As a good union brother you still should step up and take one for the team; No? I will gladly accept money from you. You spend so mush time on this board you must be a wealthy airline pilot and it would not harm you at all.

 

[B6Driver]

*You would have still been furloughed if APA accepted the TWA MEC first offer of 5 to 1 integration with 800 stapled ... right!

Do you have this in writing and could you post it here for all to see?

 

[Splert]

Billions is what you are suing for.

You are old. Not there is anything wrong with that.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Answer the question, names of these"key pilots".

 

[B6Driver]

1.2 billion actually, I think they're getting off easy.
Do you know approximately how much money ALPA has in total including the insurance policies they have with Kitty Hawk?
It's south of 1.2 billion.

 

[B6Driver]

*You would have still been furloughed if APA accepted the TWA MEC first offer of 5 to 1 integration with 800 stapled ... right!

Do you have this in writing and could you post it here for all to see?

You made a claim.........answer the question.
You talk a bunch of trash on a regular basis

 

[Splert]

http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/Archive/TWA/proposal.comparisons.pdf

You would have still have been furloughed?

Oops 600.

 

[Splert]

Answer the question, names of these"key pilots".

They are the usually suspects.

Former PVC Chairs, BoBs and leading edge CA etc.