B-17 crewmember story

[pilotyip]

We gave rides in our B-17 to WWII B-17 vets as part of a public relations program with a local radio station yesterday. I had three WWII vets who flew B-17's over Germany in WWII. All were shot up in B-17's and lived to tell about it. This was their first time in a B-17 since WWII. I wonder how they did it. Al Williams, top turret gunner told me a story after the ride. On his 6th mission, he was 19 at the time, they were getting hit by flak, a burst near the airplane knocked him out of his turret, he fell down into the Fuse Panel (very few CB's back then), he either shorted it out or the flak did it, but it cut his oxygen hose. He was also cut and bleeding from his fall. He knew if he did not get the oxygen hooked up, he would pass out at 29,000'. He spliced his hose together and was about to climb back into his turret, when falling Plexiglas covered him. He looked up and flak had blown a hole in the side of his turret where his head would have been. He then climbed back into his turret and finished the flight. There was no special recognition for this incident, because things like this happened to everyone, according to him. He got back in another airplane two days later and continued flying. On his 16th mission his airplane was shot down by flak, he bailed out and spent the rest of the war as a POW. To be in the company of a man like that who represents the 10,000's (mostly gone now) who did their service in B-17's, was an absolute honor. Where did we find such men? Here is a guy who gave and gave and then when he did not think he could give anymore reached down and gave some more. I think it puts such things pretty much in prospective on what is really important.

 

[Weasel Keeper]

Unfortunate that more men like him (and there were plenty) didn't receive the recognition or medals deserved to them...although to most of them it was just another day at the job.

Great read, and thanks for sharing.

 

[Swede]

Great post, thanks.

The 8th AF in England during WW2 took horrific casualties, as a percentage on par or exceeding that with foot soldiers on D-day... not on a day to day basis but over their 25 missions. These guys had titanic nads.

In our "modern" society, heaven forbid if a couple of jets get shot down over the course of a war. These guys dealt with losses of 10 to 20% of their entire force each MISSION. I wish we had the same national will now as we did then.

 

[CameronW]

Awesome...

I'm working on a masters degree (military history) and am writing a paper on the history of my squadron and the 8th AF. As part of my research, I would really like to talk to a few WW2 vets like the men you gave the B-17 rides to. If anyone knows any who wouldn't mind chatting with a young bomber Aircraft Commander about their experiences, let me know!

 

[Cheerio]

How things have changed

And now we have John Kerry reenacting "3 purple hearts"

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Great post, thanks.

The 8th AF in England during WW2 took horrific casualties, as a percentage on par or exceeding that with foot soldiers on D-day... not on a day to day basis but over their 25 missions. These guys had titanic nads.

In our "modern" society, heaven forbid if a couple of jets get shot down over the course of a war. These guys dealt with losses of 10 to 20% of their entire force each MISSION. I wish we had the same national will now as we did then.

Was at the IND airshow yesterday at MQJ. B-17 flying. It is a beautiful aircraft, but it was also a death trap for many airmen. Carpet bombing hits more than military targets......It represents many things to many people.

When the next clear and present global war hits, I'll bet our current citizens will step up to the plate swingin just as these gents did.....

 

[Swede]

Swede.... I hope that avatar is a joke...

Patmack, there is OVERWHELMING evidence on the internet that secret government agencies are either poisoning or genetically mutating selected populations with jet fuel additives.

You can build your own scientifically proven device to disperse these noxious products by following these directions:

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/goodbyects10jan02.shtml

As a chemtrail hunter, I like to hang out with pilots to gain their perspective. Unfortunately, not many pilots believe in chemtrails, but I hope to convince some soon. Remember, all the info you'll ever need is on the internet!

Sorry to divert this thread.

 

[miles otoole]

Awesome...

I'm working on a masters degree (military history) and am writing a paper on the history of my squadron and the 8th AF. As part of my research, I would really like to talk to a few WW2 vets like the men you gave the B-17 rides to. If anyone knows any who wouldn't mind chatting with a young bomber Aircraft Commander about their experiences, let me know!

I'll see if I can help. PM me if interested.

 

[Moonfly201]

Does 15th Air Force - B24 Pilot Count?

Awesome...

I'm working on a masters degree (military history) and am writing a paper on the history of my squadron and the 8th AF. As part of my research, I would really like to talk to a few WW2 vets like the men you gave the B-17 rides to. If anyone knows any who wouldn't mind chatting with a young bomber Aircraft Commander about their experiences, let me know!

My Father has a wealth of memories. Twenty-five completed combat missions, including 4X over Ploesti, Romania. One DFC, a bunch of others. He has not shared many stories but we have not pushed him too much either.

PM me if you would like to contact him.

 

[CameronW]

Patmack, there is OVERWHELMING evidence on the internet that secret government agencies are either poisoning or genetically mutating selected populations with jet fuel additives.

You can build your own scientifically proven device to disperse these noxious products by following these directions:

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/goodbyects10jan02.shtml

As a chemtrail hunter, I like to hang out with pilots to gain their perspective. Unfortunately, not many pilots believe in chemtrails, but I hope to convince some soon. Remember, all the info you'll ever need is on the internet!

Sorry to divert this thread.

Holy **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**e!!

Thanks for the laugh! Carry on crazy dude.

 

[CameronW]

My Father has a wealth of memories. Twenty-five completed combat missions, including 4X over Ploesti, Romania. One DFC, a bunch of others. He has not shared many stories but we have not pushed him too much either.

PM me if you would like to contact him.

That's awesome! When I get to the point in my research that I'm ready to start interviewing people, I just may take you up on that!

My focus is on the 96th Bomb Squadron (the Red Devils) and the 8th AF, but since your father fought in the same theater over some of the same targets as my squadron/NAF, his experiences are certaily relevant!

Appreciate it!

Cam

 

[Swede]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're one of those looney tunes!?!?!?! So the Jet Fuel that I get from Exxon, the gov't has tampered with it so that we're sprinkling fairy dust all over you morons??? Ya if it's on the internet it must be true!

Patmack, I suspect you have fallen victim to the genetically altering adulterant. Anyone who cannot see that this is happening has probably already been poisoned. Build the neutralizing device... I provided a link. Be sure the crystals in the chamber are of the correct geometry. Placed in your yard, it will protect up to 2 acres, and should prevent further toxicity.

 

[Sarka]

Patmack, I suspect you have fallen victim to the genetically altering adulterant. Anyone who cannot see that this is happening has probably already been poisoned. Build the neutralizing device... I provided a link. Be sure the crystals in the chamber are of the correct geometry. Placed in your yard, it will protect up to 2 acres, and should prevent further toxicity.

This has got to be a joke lads.

 

[Fly Navy]

Patmack, there is OVERWHELMING evidence on the internet that secret government agencies are either poisoning or genetically mutating selected populations with jet fuel additives.

You can build your own scientifically proven device to disperse these noxious products by following these directions:

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/goodbyects10jan02.shtml

As a chemtrail hunter, I like to hang out with pilots to gain their perspective. Unfortunately, not many pilots believe in chemtrails, but I hope to convince some soon. Remember, all the info you'll ever need is on the internet!

Sorry to divert this thread.

Wow man! I've heard some funny **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** in my life, but this has to be the most RIDICULOUS thing I've EVER heard! HAHAHHAHAHHA! God man, you made me laugh so hard. This is a joke right? I mean, you're just fvcking with us all?

Unfortunately, I have a feeling you aren't. Have you ever taken a single physics class in your entire life? You say you have flight experience, but you certainly must have not been paying attention to anything you learned about the atmosphere. I suggest you read this:

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/Flagstaff/science/contrail.htm

Of course, I'm sure you won't believe it, since it's by NOAA, an EVIL government organization that's probably helping poison the population, right?

Oh, and if you think everything you need to know is on the internet... you need a reality check dude.

Have fun with your delusions.

 

[Fly Navy]

Awww man, my first post was to this looney? **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**!

 

[Swede]

Have you ever taken a single physics class in your entire life? You say you have flight experience, but you certainly must have not been paying attention to anything you learned about the atmosphere. I suggest you read this:

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/Flagstaff/science/contrail.htm

Of course, I'm sure you won't believe it, since it's by NOAA, an EVIL government organization that's probably helping poison the population, right?

Oh, and if you think everything you need to know is on the internet... you need a reality check dude.

Have fun with your delusions.

Actually, I have a Bachelor's degree in Chemistry and a minor in physics. We can discuss Quantum Mechanics if you'd like to... wave-particle duality is a hoot.

Fly-Navy, refer to the dorky-pilot thread. Excess pride in one's military background is a general characteristic leading to dork status. Tell ya what, mount up in your might T34 turbo-beech, I'll borrow an F15 from the 33rd Tac fighter wing at Eglin, meetcha in W151A. Neutral setups, heaters and guns, no kills forward of the 3-9 line. Bring your IP if it'll make you comfy.

 

[A Squared]

Did it ever occur to you folks that ol' Swede here just might be yankin' yer chains?


That being said; for those of you who aren't familliar with the Chemtrail phenomenon, there really are a bunch of people out there who believe this nonsense, and some of them really do build these cloudbusters. You should hear them chatting on their forums about how they added 2 turns of copper wire around each tube to increase the balance of flibbert in the whammazoid beam and focus the glomula flow. They sound like a bunch of 5 year-olds discussing how to make a ray gun (actually a fairly apt description) but they're adults and they're dead serious.

 

[Swede]

Swede... I actually have a few friends that are crows there at the 33rd... I'll make sure to give em a call, up security, and saftey's off for some looney tune running around with his crystal cloud busting decoder ring. I'm praying that you're joking, cuz if not... "this is so good it just has to be fattening!" ~Stewie Griffin

Patmack, I'm from an older generation of 33TFW. Say hello to Opie, I think he's the boss of the Crows these days, not sure of it though. He was a 1Lt when I was there. Tell him Swede (58th TFS) says Hi. Get a shot of Jeremiah Weed from him. Also, ask him about John-Boy, E.T., Paco, and G-Dog.

It's all a gag fellas. I hope there's no hard feelings. There was a big thread a few weeks ago about the chemtrails whackos. I love observations like "Note the convergence of several chemical 'bombers' over the city of Dallas, an obvious population center", as if the existence of a VOR + major airways wouldn't cause this.

The disruptor device is the icing on the cake. For those unwilling to expose themselves to this mind-boggling hooey, here are some choice quotes:

"Orgone generators have the ability to focus life-positive orgone energy and break up areas of noxious, life-draining energies of DOR, a word coined by Wilhelm Reich for Deadly ORgone"

The designer "gains many of his insights about his orgone devices through his wife, Carol Croft and daughter, Nora, both of whom possess serious psychic ability."

"It is believed chemtrails are composed at least in part by an oil based substance of unknown content that is actually being sprayed from jets on populated areas. It has also been found that some chemtrails contain red blood cells, aluminum, mycoplasma, viruses and other unknown biological components."

"CRYSTALS: I glued a double-terminated (two pointed ends) quartz crystal, about 2" long, into a .75” section of garden hose... Another option is to add one citrine gemstone to each pipe before adding the crystal, this smoothes the CB’s energy and helps to transmute negative energies. However, citrine does not seem to make the CB any more effective at eliminating chemtrails. "

And my favorite line...

"Dr. Reich’s Cloudbusters were extremely dangerous when in operation since he had no orgone generator attached to them. Bad orgone does carry a charge which can quickly drain one’s life force away when it’s concentrated in one spot. "

At first it's funny, then it's downright sad/scary at the same time, that we're so bored as a nation, so fat and wealthy, that people have the time to waste on such nonsense.

Again, sorry to yank chains over such an extended period. I just got back from a killer scuba trip to Cozumel to find the joke still had some life. And my sincere apologies to all for totally jacking this thread!

 

[vetteracer]

I suppose this caustic agent would be PRIST. Yes it is very caustic and dangerous to touch in its concentrated form. BUT, airlines do not use prist and it is burned in the combustion process.

Are there any black helicopters involved in this?

Turn the X files off, open the shades on your house, take a deep breath, and everything will be OK.

Mark

 

[Fly Navy]

Actually, I have a Bachelor's degree in Chemistry and a minor in physics. We can discuss Quantum Mechanics if you'd like to... wave-particle duality is a hoot.

Fly-Navy, refer to the dorky-pilot thread. Excess pride in one's military background is a general characteristic leading to dork status. Tell ya what, mount up in your might T34 turbo-beech, I'll borrow an F15 from the 33rd Tac fighter wing at Eglin, meetcha in W151A. Neutral setups, heaters and guns, no kills forward of the 3-9 line. Bring your IP if it'll make you comfy.

Hey dingleberry, I never said ANYTHING about my flying ability or status in the Navy. I know my place, I'm just a T-34 student. Nice try though. By the way, I have a Bachelors in Electrical Engineering, so take your own dorkness elsewhere.

But if we're gonna go at it, I at least get to have a A-34... it's only fair. Oh, and we can duke it out ala WWI... shoot at each other with small arms.