Avantair

[Texasskicker]

Easy there cowboy.

You and I must have read different articles.

This is the article I read.

http://www.ainonline.com/Features/Pilotreports2001/AIN_pr_avanti701.html

AVBUG SAID: "but what really interested me was the complete lack of negative information."

I guess we did read different articles.

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Lookit. I just asked a question about ice and these hound dogs jumped on my hide. I can understand those who fly it wanna defend it. I was just lookin' for information. Yea Im havin fun jousting with these nitwits, but really I'm out to find out stuff about the aircraft.

As I said, its a hot rod of the sky. Cool enough.

Texasskicker....OUT.

 

[Corona]

The horizontal and vertical stabs are not heated nor protected by dedicated anti-ice or deice systems. Instead, four exhausts point backward, putting out considerable warm gasses that are distributed by the propeller. In some two hundred hours (I believe) of ice testing in flight behind ice sources, the factory couldn't ice the tail.

Numerous aircraft don't have ice protection on the tail. None have a system for circulating a cone of hot gases exernally over the tail to preclude icing, however. The Avanti does.

If you think they're interesting to look at, try working on one!

Someone commented on the room inside. I've ridden in the back, and I can say first hand that they're comfortable airplanes. Quiet, and comfortable. They're a lot bigger inside than they look. My first impression when I saw one on a ramp years ago, was that it was unusual looking. I asked the pilot if I could have a look inside. He invited me in for a sit down, and silly as it seems, the first thing I thought of was "clown car." You know the cars that look small outside, but thirty clowns climb out of when the door opens...like that. The amount of room is deceiving. Far from a clown car, however, it's a serious business aircraft and I'm quite impressed with the design.

Interesting analysis, Avbug, though I think there is a different reason why they didn't de-ice the vertical/horizontal stabs. I believe, from the article I read, that the airfoils are thin enough that they do not collect ice, not that the exhaust plume reaches the tail. (It does do a good job of keeping the prop clear of ice; another advantage to the pusher design.)

I agree with you the airplane is very impressive. The first Avanti I watched take off was at Canyonlands, UT. I couldn't believe how fast that bird howled out of there!

The performance and cabin are most impressive. In terms of weight, mission and payload, the Avanti is directly comparable to the last Turbo Commander I flew, which was also not a slouch @300 KTAS. The Avanti, however, does the same job nearly 100kts faster, with a bigger, quieter cabin and a real potty!

I particularly like how the skin is formed to the airframe. Instead of just riveting on aluminum plate, they actually form the skin to fit the frame pieces. Makes for a very smooth surface.

I suspect if crude oil hits $100/bbl, as some pessimists say, the Avanti will experience huge sales orders.

C

 

[FlyWithSean]

Texasskicker

You need to stop posting because you say you have 12,982 hours but you ask questions like you have 129 hours. Also if thats how many hours you have why wouldnt you just put 13,000. Your posts are horrible and you sound very uneducated in aviation. Do us all a favor and stop posting in this thread.

 

[SonnyD]

Um, yeah. How about that burried EFB question?

 

[avbug]

Interesting analysis, Avbug, though I think there is a different reason why they didn't de-ice the vertical/horizontal stabs. I believe, from the article I read, that the airfoils are thin enough that they do not collect ice, not that the exhaust plume reaches the tail. (It does do a good job of keeping the prop clear of ice; another advantage to the pusher design.)

That could very well be. I doubt I could shed much light on that directly without some first hand knowledge of the test program and the certification of of the airplanes. The information I provided is second hand; it was told me by the chief pilot of Piaggio America, which is the US branch of the Itallian company that makes the airplane.

I'd like to see some video of the testing in the ice to see what does go on out there.

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

The P180 does not need ice protection on the tail because, we have real nice exhaust ports infront of it and the props which are also not heated by normal means. In fact if you go back many years some airframes, due to the airflow over them do not form ice, this finding goes back a few years.... to Boeing and the 727.

 

[Safetycheck]

Anybody know who the Chief Pilot and DO is at Avantair?

 

[mike1mc]

I know they just let go of their Chief Pilot after a very short stay. I don't know management's side of the story, but I have a big problem with the way in which he was let go.

 

[hyper]

Hahaha! You do!? Really!? You got a big problem then in WHY he was let go? You obviously don't know ANY of the story or you wouldn't have any problems.

I know they just let go of their Chief Pilot after a very short stay. I don't know management's side of the story, but I have a big problem with the way in which he was let go.

 

[On Your Six]

Hahaha! You do!? Really!? You got a big problem then in WHY he was let go? You obviously don't know ANY of the story or you wouldn't have any problems.

Perhaps you could elaborate and not leave us hanging?