Avantair pay cut vacay elimination

[FRACTRASH]

What the Hell happened? I thought you guys were doing good taking more planes and hiring pilots. It goes to show everyone is struggling to survive this market.

 

[rajflyboy]

Hey?

Don't those Italian things break a lot?

 

[Capt. JD]

Hey?

Don't those Italian things break a lot?

Would a Ferrari break down allot if it was used as a NYC taxi cab??

 

[Capt. JD]

Hiring

Also, vacation hasn't been eliminated - it was reduced to one week per year. Sick time hasn't been touched as far as I know. Lots of people updating their logbooks and resumes.

To go where?!

 

[brokeflyer]

To go where?!

Netjets you idiot!!!

lol

 

[G4dude]

Your right. But it's interesting this happened not long after the threat of the union went away. Shows how hollow typical management promises during a union campaign are.

With the stock price in the tank, I am guessing a Union drive right now would not be a good idea.

 

[fob727]

With the stock price in the tank, I am guessing a Union drive right now would not be a good idea.

Seriously?

 

[Praetorian]

With the stock price in the tank, I am guessing a Union drive right now would not be a good idea.

I think any time a group of pilots decide - for whatever reason - to cast off the humiliation of at-will employment, it's a good idea for them and for the profession in general.

The only question is, given this groups extreme timidity in the past, do they have the stones to stand up for themselves?

We shall all see.

 

[dime line]

With the stock price in the tank, I am guessing a Union drive right now would not be a good idea.

So G4 who are you gonna blame, the pilots or management for the low stock price.

 

[Freight Dawg]

I see that the fractional industry has taken a hit full circle. Its to bad, I hope the next for years is better.

 

[gret]

I think any time a group of pilots decide - for whatever reason - to cast off the humiliation of at-will employment, it's a good idea for them and for the profession in general.

The only question is, given this groups extreme timidity in the past, do they have the stones to stand up for themselves?

We shall all see.

I don’t know partner…I’ve never met anybody that feels humiliated working “at-will”…people who are worth their salt wouldn’t have it any other way. Most are pretty proud of themselves and the success they’ve achieved in life…they value their independence. This gung ho attitude is what America is all about...men who have hearts of oak and dicks of steel and make it on their own

 

[fob727]

I don’t know partner…I’ve never met anybody that feels humiliated working “at-will”…people who are worth their salt wouldn’t have it any other way. Most are pretty proud of themselves and the success they’ve achieved in life…they value their independence. This gung ho attitude is what America is all about...men who have hearts of oak and dicks of steel and make it on their own

Are you running for office or something??? The union people I've been associated with feel the same.

 

[gret]

Yeah..I'm running for office.

 

[G4dude]

So G4 who are you gonna blame, the pilots or management for the low stock price.

You have asked a good question. My answer is: the economy is to blame. The pilots seem to be a good bunch, and management appears to be pretty good. My conversations with pilots on the ramp haven't indicated discomfort with how things at Avantair are run.

 

[G4dude]

I think any time a group of pilots decide - for whatever reason - to cast off the humiliation of at-will employment, it's a good idea for them and for the profession in general.

The only question is, given this groups extreme timidity in the past, do they have the stones to stand up for themselves?

We shall all see.

Humiliation? I am proud to work "at will." And I expect my employer to employ me "at will." If I don't like them I can leave "at will." If my employer doesn't like me, they can fire me "at will." Sounds like a fair exchange to me. I work for whomever I want and they employ whomever they want.
Union organizing during a perilous time for a company, especially during a protracted flat economy, doesn't take "stones" but rather "cluelessness", it seems to me. Sounds like a good way to lose one's job.