Attrition for 2002 in AA/TWA, NWA, DAL?
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pilot141
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Straight from AA HR:
Retirements:
AA TW
2002 130 95
2003 147 72
2004 208 46
2005 216 58
2006 297 55
2007 304 62
2008 441 47
2009 442 46
2010 375 39
2011 307 36
2012 297 33
2013 358 39
2014 441 44
2015 518 49
2016 591 50
Sorry for the format, but I can't seem to get the headers to line up with the numbers. You get the idea!
Retirements:
AA TW
2002 130 95
2003 147 72
2004 208 46
2005 216 58
2006 297 55
2007 304 62
2008 441 47
2009 442 46
2010 375 39
2011 307 36
2012 297 33
2013 358 39
2014 441 44
2015 518 49
2016 591 50
Sorry for the format, but I can't seem to get the headers to line up with the numbers. You get the idea!
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BacktoAA
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From AA ask and answer:
Retirement Numbers
Q: You just posted the retirement numbers for AA and TWA for the next 5 years 2002-2006. Could you post the retirement numbers also for the period of 2007-2012 for both AA and TWA?
A: Okay,
Here goes, the retirements for the next 15 years:
AA TW
2002 130 95
2003 147 72
2004 208 46
2005 216 58
2006 297 55
2007 304 62
2008 441 47
2009 442 46
2010 375 39
2011 307 36
2012 297 33
2013 358 39
2014 441 44
2015 518 49
2016 591 50
Anne Evans
Director Flight Administration
Retirement Numbers
Q: You just posted the retirement numbers for AA and TWA for the next 5 years 2002-2006. Could you post the retirement numbers also for the period of 2007-2012 for both AA and TWA?
A: Okay,
Here goes, the retirements for the next 15 years:
AA TW
2002 130 95
2003 147 72
2004 208 46
2005 216 58
2006 297 55
2007 304 62
2008 441 47
2009 442 46
2010 375 39
2011 307 36
2012 297 33
2013 358 39
2014 441 44
2015 518 49
2016 591 50
Anne Evans
Director Flight Administration
DAL numbers
2002----371
2003----258
2004----269
2005----240
2006----242
2007----335
2008----390
2009----366
2010----370
2011----293
2012----272
2013----286
2014----341
2015----374
2016----486
2017----564
2018----532
2019----529
2020----463
2002----371
2003----258
2004----269
2005----240
2006----242
2007----335
2008----390
2009----366
2010----370
2011----293
2012----272
2013----286
2014----341
2015----374
2016----486
2017----564
2018----532
2019----529
2020----463
throttlejockey
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The planning departments at the majors have probably taken these attrition numbers into account when deciding on how many folks are going to be furloughed, and how many are going to be recalled.
I do not expect to see any of the majors restart hiring before the end of 2002, and more likely before the summer of 2003.
throttlejockey
I do not expect to see any of the majors restart hiring before the end of 2002, and more likely before the summer of 2003.
throttlejockey
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May....
Recalls and hiring are not only based on the economy. Even if furloughed pilots were recalled tomorrow the airline can only train maybe 100 pilots at month at most so it would take a year or longer just to recall pilots. This was already discussed in a thread. Since recalls are not likely to start before Summer it is reasonable to assume hiring will not begin until Summer 2003
Throttle Jockey isnt an expert ad you called him. He just did the math
Recalls and hiring are not only based on the economy. Even if furloughed pilots were recalled tomorrow the airline can only train maybe 100 pilots at month at most so it would take a year or longer just to recall pilots. This was already discussed in a thread. Since recalls are not likely to start before Summer it is reasonable to assume hiring will not begin until Summer 2003
Throttle Jockey isnt an expert ad you called him. He just did the math
throttlejockey
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It is possible that the majors may start to accept resumes or even re-engage the hiring process prior to all furloughs being retrained, but I rather think that is highly unlikely.
First of all, there are more than a handful of probationary pilots and poolies that would be called prior to restarting the hiring process. For example, I believe UAL poolies are given first rights on hiring (if I am incorrect please post).
Secondly, with the drastic perminent reduction in equipment due to accelerated aircraft retirement, I just don't think that things will move along that quickly.
Lastly, when the hiring does start again, it will most likely be highly selective, utilizing application windows and other techniques to limit the number of potential applicants. It is going to be very difficult to make it to the show, regardless of attrition levels.
I am still holding out that it will happen for me - i'll see you there!
throttlejockey
First of all, there are more than a handful of probationary pilots and poolies that would be called prior to restarting the hiring process. For example, I believe UAL poolies are given first rights on hiring (if I am incorrect please post).
Secondly, with the drastic perminent reduction in equipment due to accelerated aircraft retirement, I just don't think that things will move along that quickly.
Lastly, when the hiring does start again, it will most likely be highly selective, utilizing application windows and other techniques to limit the number of potential applicants. It is going to be very difficult to make it to the show, regardless of attrition levels.
I am still holding out that it will happen for me - i'll see you there!
throttlejockey