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RJidiot

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From the Washington Post.

VITAL EVIDENCE

When the Clock Lies




Tuesday, November 7, 2006; Page A02
People who regularly experience jet lag, or who alternate working day and night shifts, may face greater risks than they know.
Researchers at the University of Virginia came to this conclusion based on experiments they did with mice whose waking and sleep hours were repeatedly shifted either forward or back by six hours. While younger mice were apparently not harmed, older mice were hit hard by the time changes, especially when their "daylight" was being shifted six hours earlier -- comparable to the time shift that travelers flying from the United States to Europe experience.




Among the older mice whose light cycle was shifted six hours earlier, 53 percent died over the eight weeks of the experiment. Among those whose light cycle was shifted back, 32 percent died. Only 17 percent died among the mice who had no shifts at all. When the frequency of the shifts was increased, the number of mice that died increased as well.
The team, led by biologist Gene Block, initially thought that chronic stress caused by the day-night changes could be causing the deaths, but they found that daily levels of corticosterone -- a hormone released at times of stress -- remained constant. As a result, they hypothesized that forced changes in the circadian rhythms of day and night led to sleep deprivation and suppression of the immune system, which in turn undermined the health of the mice.
Previous experiments have shown that nearly all tissues and organs have circadian rhythms, which adapt to change at different rates. The time-shifted mice may have died, the authors speculate, because their various internal clocks got seriously out of sync.
The study, in the journal Current Biology, concludes that the findings "raise important issues about the safety of counter-clockwise rotating shift work and the potential long-term health consequences for airline crews regularly crossing time zones."

-- Marc Kaufman
 
Leave the "geezers" out of this! It's a discriminatory posting and has no business on this board.

Just shut up and enjoy your backseat as your juniority increases with every retirement. :-b

P.S.--You're a mouse!
 
What a bunch of crap! Why, I just got back from an around the world'er (backwards!) and I feel grealsfask;d;dd,dm ffm ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjbhiuguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
































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I remember a similar study years ago.

I think it was based on how long pilots lived after they retired. The pilots who retired after flying long haul trips in their last years had shorter life expectancies in retirement than the domestic guys.

Screw with your circadian rythms when you're old and your life expectancy decreases. Hell, its no fun when you're young either.

One of the reasons why whenever the age 60 rule eventually changes it won't mean 5 full years of stagnation.

It will mean lost wages, increased disability and healthcare premiums and reduced quality of life, but that's another story...................
 
SO would you rather retire at 55-60 as a multigazillionaire from cargo, live until you are 75-80, leave a good looking corpse and a huge inheritance to your kids having spent your life in a big home affording every one of life's diversions...

...or would you rather retire at 60 (65?) as a penniless pax pilot with a 401k that's soon to be tapped out, a A/B plan that has long been raided by your management, 2 ex flight attendant wives and alimonies to go along with them, live until you are 95 and die a broken, rotten shell of a man all alone in some assisted living trailer hovel in south Florida?


:bawling:

How do I get into cargo?
 
Son, you got some learnin' to do....

Your life expectancy is approx. 72 years. The article basically says:

YOU AIN'T GONNA MAKE IT TO "75-80".

"How do I get into cargo?"

Hmmm, why don't you just ask..."How do I get into an early grave?"


It seems that the "God-Almighty Dollar" and worthless material posessions dominate your thinking. You basically want to risk your health for the trade off of a few more toys and/or bucks.(?)

To each his own...But I would seriously question your priorities in life.

Your family/children would probably prefer you to be around for them as long as possible as opposed to receiving a few thousand more dollars upon your early departure from the planet.


Think about it.


YKW


P.S. - I'll be retiring in just a couple of years at 49-50. And, don't worry...I'll be in a nice home, the ex-wives will be just fine, and my Kid will have a nice little chunk when I get called home to roost. How could this be for a "penniless pax pilot"? Well, I haven't wasted my money on toys and depreciating material goods. Instead, I invested it, while living quite comfortably. You see, I AM a Big D-ICK...I don't have to prove I have one by one-upping the neighbors....
 
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Nothing we arleady knew. You fly til 65 and your company will probably not have to pay any retirement. Fools.
 
Son, you got some learnin' to do....

Your life expectancy is approx. 72 years. The article basically says:

YOU AIN'T GONNA MAKE IT TO "75-80".

"How do I get into cargo?"

Hmmm, why don't you just ask..."How do I get into an early grave?"


It seems that the "God-Almighty Dollar" and worthless material posessions dominate your thinking. You basically want to risk your health for the trade off of a few more toys and/or bucks.(?)

To each his own...But I would seriously question your priorities in life.

Your family/children would probably prefer you to be around for them as long as possible as opposed to receiving a few thousand more dollars upon your early departure from the planet.


Think about it.


YKW


P.S. - I'll be retiring in just a couple of years at 49-50. And, don't worry...I'll be in a nice home, the ex-wives will be just fine, and my Kid will have a nice little chunk when I get called home to roost. How could this be for a "penniless pax pilot"? Well, I haven't wasted my money on toys and depreciating material goods. Instead, I invested it, while living quite comfortably. You see, I AM a Big D-ICK...I don't have to prove I have one by one-upping the neighbors....

Don't call me son, jagnut. I work at a company where if I don't fly I don't make money. I have friends at both FedEx and UPS that rarely fly, maybe 300 hours a year. I tell you right now, my current job has just as much night flying and ten times more fatigue than a 300 hour year flying boxes. Let me see: 850 hours plus at jb? Or 300 hours at a cargo carrier? Tough one. Maybe you work for Pan Am?

Besides, you missed my humor/sarcasm. Taking it all a little personal?
 
"Don't call me son, jagnut."

- I'm sorry, I see your military...I meant "Sir". Could you at least give me a capital "J" on that "jagnut" title? Thanks.


"I work at a company where if I don't fly I don't make money."

- I'm sorry about that. I have never had that misfortune. Are you in some kind of indentured servitude?


"I have friends at both FedEx and UPS that rarely fly, maybe 300 hours a year. I tell you right now, my current job has just as much night flying and ten times more fatigue than a 300 hour year flying boxes."

- Again, I'm sorry.... for you and your friends. I flew night freight. Averaged about 300 hours/yr. as you mentioned. Hard work.

"Let me see: 850 hours plus at jb? Or 300 hours at a cargo carrier? Tough one."

- Not really. Can we agree to disagree? I'll take my 600-700 hours a year of daytime flying over the night gig...ANYTIME.

"Besides, you missed my humor/sarcasm. Taking it all a little personal?"

- No. I believe you are though.


Look, you are probably a good guy to drink beer with....But, have you flown BOTH night freight and daytime pax?


I have.


Therefore, I feel I am qualified to opine on the subject.


And remember...It's only MY opinion. You are welcome to yours.



YKW
 
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"Don't call me son, jagnut."

- I'm sorry, I see your military...I meant "Sir". Could you at least give me a capital "J" on that "jagnut" title? Thanks.


"I work at a company where if I don't fly I don't make money."

- I'm sorry about that. I have never had that misfortune. Are you in some kind of indentured servitude?


"I have friends at both FedEx and UPS that rarely fly, maybe 300 hours a year. I tell you right now, my current job has just as much night flying and ten times more fatigue than a 300 hour year flying boxes."

- Again, I'm sorry.... for you and your friends. I flew night freight. Averaged about 300 hours/yr. as you mentioned. Hard work.

"Let me see: 850 hours plus at jb? Or 300 hours at a cargo carrier? Tough one."

- Not really. Can we agree to disagree? I'll take my 600-700 hours a year of daytime flying over the night gig...ANYTIME.

"Besides, you missed my humor/sarcasm. Taking it all a little personal?"

- No. I believe you are though.


Look, you are probably a good guy to drink beer with....But, have you flown BOTH night freight and daytime pax?


I have.


Therefore, I feel I am qualified to opine on the subject.


And remember...It's only MY opinion. You are welcome to yours.



YKW

12 years of bouncing at nite, trapping at night, etc etc in the Navy (and still in the Navy Reserve) and I think I know a little bit about flying at night. As for redeyes at jb, you fly a lot of em at my seniority level to have commutable lines. Indentured servitude -- you bet, it's called jb.

Where did you fly nite cargo for? Just curious. And how can I fly 600 hours at jb? Boy that would be great. It really sounds like you are one of the lucky ones that got a good pax job back when they existed, you rode out all of the turmoil in the industry (to include 9/11) on your seniority and after all that is fooked up with the business you are sitting pretty and can see the finish line up ahead. I only wish it was that rosy for someone like me starting out on what looks to be a tough career. The heyday of the airline biz is over. Some of what was lost may return, but another cycle will gobble up those gains too.

No, I don't take anything personal on this site because despite the posts at the end of the day and despite the indentured servitude, I am sitting on a nice chunk of land on a mountain in Virginia with a huge freakin' house and a doctor for a wife. Throw in some healthy and beautiful kids, a supplemental retirement from the Navy Reserve in a couple of years, and still 25 years until I turn 60 well then yes, I would say nothing on flightinfo phases me.

You know what's really funny about all of this? I don't work in the cargo business. Ha. But somehow I snagged a big one.
 
"I am sitting on a nice chunk of land on a mountain in Virginia with a huge freakin' house and a doctor for a wife. Throw in some healthy and beautiful kids, a supplemental retirement from the Navy Reserve in a couple of years.."

Now...THAT'S what I'm talkin' BOUT.

My God Man...You are blessed. I would just kick back and fly in the reserves and hang it up at JB. Why putz with this messed up airline stuff at all?

Seriously. I'd kill for just the house on the mountain in VA. Hell, a nice cabin in the mountains is all I'm lookin' for...

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"It really sounds like you are one of the lucky ones that got a good pax job back when they existed..."

- In all honesty, I got a crappy one, that turned into a great one, that turned into an O.K. one.


"you rode out all of the turmoil in the industry (to include 9/11)"

- See above statement.


"on your seniority"

- Yes. seniority has helped me stay in the left seat and remain a Line holder who lives in base. Otherwise I'd have probably quit.


"and after all that is fooked up with the business you are sitting pretty and can see the finish line up ahead."

- Well. Im sitting O.K....certainly not pretty. The usual krap has befallen me also...HUGE pay/pension cut etc. But, yes "the finish line" in the next few years is a reality.


To answer your other question, I flew an L-188 for Zantop International back in their heyday. Easiest night freight job on the planet. I still quit (after 6 years) and chose unemployment instead.

Now...are you REALLY a Bavarian Chef?



YKW

P.S.- How do I fly just 600 hours or so a year? Well, I just don't show up for work a lot. (!) I've almost got it down to an Art Form. :)
 
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Leave the "geezers" out of this! It's a discriminatory posting and has no business on this board.

Just shut up and enjoy your backseat as your juniority increases with every retirement. :-b

P.S.--You're a mouse!

I know those sunsabitches are coming to the back of the -27 now! What is the world coming to?? I know I must be the mouse because I can't sit up front with the "real pilots". :-)
 

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