ATP Written

[mbw]

Planning to take the ATP written soon. Really don't want to pay $300+ to ATP and sit in front of a computer all weekend. Are there any other inexpensive alternatives out there? Anything online?

thanks

 

[Smacktard]

Planning to take the ATP written soon. Really don't want to pay $300+ to ATP and sit in front of a computer all weekend. Are there any other inexpensive alternatives out there? Anything online?

thanks

$30 for the red gleim book and sit in your kitchen for a month.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

For $30 you can buy the 1.5' thick, red Gleim book and spend 3 days absorbing weight and balance and performace material for the DC-9, 737, Beach 1900, 727 etc. Then you can spend $90 at the local CATS center and "git 'er' done" in about an hour. Same amount of time consumed, but a little cheaper.

MM

 

[blzr]

Everyone wants to do it the easy way.

How can I get my private, instrument, commercial multi, cfiiiiiiiii, for $1000 and I want it all in 100 hours or less..

Just study the mostly useless material like the rest of us did, take the test, and get on with your career.

Yeah, those pallet weights have really come in handy.

 

[bryrex]

ATP is the fastest way to get it done. One day of "studying" in front of the computer and spit it out at the end of the day on the test, leave with a better than passing score. No need to "red book" beforehand, actually works better if you go in fresh with no studying.
You must do what you feel is right of course.

 

[OrphicSeth]

For $30 you can buy the 1.5' thick, red Gleim book and spend 3 days absorbing weight and balance and performace material for the DC-9, 737, Beach 1900, 727 etc. Then you can spend $90 at the local CATS center and "git 'er' done" in about an hour. Same amount of time consumed, but a little cheaper.

MM

This is exactly what I did. Bought the book read through it a couple of times, and then procrastinated about it for a month. Finally, I sat down, and went through it several times over the course of 4 days. I do better if I learn the material and correlate it with the flying, and see how it makes sense, and the rationale behind it. Took the test, scored in the 90's.

A few things I noticed: I only got three performance questions. That was good, because I didn't study them beforehand. So I sat down and worked them out at the test. A performance chart is a performance chart, work it out and read the notes. Not too bad at all.

The only really pain in the a ss questions are those pesky IFR planning questions, when they ask you "How long/much fuel at .82 mach" with an empty nav log and 6 different figures to puzzle over. The problem I had with these is that they took a bit of time, and my cardboard E6B is not exactly the best at differentiating between 22,460 lbs, 22,280 lbs, and 22,640 lbs. or whatever. The numbers are too big with the differences too small. Fortunately, there were only two or three of these on the test, and my memory served me enough to pick the correct answers (I think).

Only 2 W+B questions.

I knew the rest of the stuff down cold, and it wasn't a problem.

The one thing I wished I had was a practice exam CD or something to that effect. I ony had one practice test in the back of the book, and once you take it, it's no good. So I sorta went into the testing center without a good way of gauging my ability so to speak. I suggest either getting a CD for practice exams or waiting until the last day to take the test in the back of the book.

 

[BeachBummer]

Planning to take the ATP written soon. Really don't want to pay $300+ to ATP and sit in front of a computer all weekend. Are there any other inexpensive alternatives out there? Anything online?

thanks

for god sakes man, read the book for a month and learn answers, or stare at the computer for 4 hours and learn answers. for me time is money, pay the 300 and get it over with dude

 

[blott]

I read the Gleim three times. Didn't waste my time figuring out the nav logs or other long computations. I ordered the computer program online-they will send you a link so you can just download the program-just callem up, easy. The computer program has several of the different testing formats so you can take a few practice tests in the same format you will be using at a testing center.(there are a few different testing centers-different format tests) I took the test, skipped the computation problems till the end, went back and did the easy ones, weight shift etc. and figured I could easily pass without doing the longer problems-just guessed on those. Passed no problem...

B

 

[Rogue5]

I second the Gleim CD-ROM. Easy to hammer through the questions rapid fire in a third of the time it takes to read through the book.

I believe they give you a $20 rebate as well if you call them and tell them you are an "Active CFI," whatever that is...

 

[AlwaysLearning]

Go to www.faatest.com the groundschool link. You can download the software, pay 29 bucks to unlock the ATP questions and study that way. It has different formats to use, lasergrade, faa style, etc. I used it for a couple of days and took the test no problem.

Actually learning how to do the performance, pallet and xc problems is easier than trying to memorize the answers. It's actually pretty easy too.

Good luck!

 

[exchexflyer]

I took the ATP written with atp. It doesn't take all weekend, it takes about 8 hours. I didn't study at all before I went in and I got a 96. Apparantly I studied 26 percent more than I had to that day. It does cost 295 but well worth it.

 

[avpro91]

I bought the ASA test prep bppk and went through it a few times over 2 or 3 days. Skipped all the w&b and lengthy computations, wne t a took the test for $80 and passed with like and 85 or 90 without doing the w&b or lenghty computations on the test, just guessing. I have had a lot of friends go to ATP and all have said it wasn't too badfor the $300 and a day. I personally was too stubborn to pay somebody $300 for something I could do myself for less than half. Just my choice though. If you gotta get it done in a hurry than ATP is the way to go I think.

 

[Steveair]

Gleim CD

Personally, I get more out of the CD. I recommend you purchase that for $50. It updates and is a better way to learn. Additionally, you can mark and review answers you get wrong - not that you can't do that with the book (you've gotta CYOA on this site...), but I like this way.

My suggestion is, if you buy the CD, keep a binder of the questions you get wrong. Highlight the answers and review them every night.

Memorize the W&B answers and the IFR XC answers.

I got an 81 on the test after 2 weeks of study but didn't have the W&B or IFR XC memorized... which were the majority of the questions I got wrong.

It is overwhelming at first but just work your way through. It might take a few minutes to understand some of the performance stuff but it'll come.

I also just took the Pinnacle written for the interview and got a 90 so my system seems to work.

Good luck!

 

[wasp junior]

Gleim CD ROM, Red Book, figured the best I could do if I blew off the most time consuming questions was an 88%. I got an 88%.

If you are going to use the written as a stand-alone accomplishment, (without taking the practical) I'd recommend getting a higher score, but if you have a checkride scheduled, just pass the written however you can.

I hate tests.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

best way in my mind to do it is to get the gleim CD -or- get the link on their website, pay for it online, and like a prior post said, they'll send you a link which allows you to download the same program that the CD will have on it. (basically you're saving time by not having to wait for the CD to be mailed to you)
This is the best way to learn the test, because you can take out all the turboprop questions and only focus on the jet 121. Plus, the gleim computer format is the same format as the testing center will have.

 

[Jabwmu]

sup buddy, give me a call. i know of a good ATP deal.

-JB

 

[8HourPilot]

What up?!?!?!

I have a copy on CD...I'll burn it for ya if you want it........bet you know where I got it from too......

 

[Tailwinds]

AllATPs is fast, but not worth it if you are self motivated even a tiny bit. I did the ATP there last week. Here is what they do. They have pared down the ATP to about 590 questions. You go through all of them. Their software shows you only the correct answer the first time around, then you go back and re-read the questions with all three answers showing. The correct one is supposed to jump out at you. (FYI, their software appears to be early to mid 1980s. No kidding). Then you take a practice test. The practice test is done using the same Gleim test prep software you can buy for $50.
For that kind of money I at least expected a really good gouge. How about tips and techniques for getting the flight planning questions. How about anything resembling "teaching to the test." Or teaching. Or usefull stuff like "watch out for this trick wording." Mnemonics. You know, all the wisdom amassed by thousands of people taking the test every year. Nope, $300 and it's straight rote, which you can do at home. If you want the pared down 590 questions just do every third one out of the test book.

 

[LearLove]

I don't want to sound like too much of a Dick but here goes... (take it with a grain of salt)

How many god dam times do I have to tell you guys???

To do any FAA written (see note at end) get the book (gleim, asa whatever you like, I prefer the gleim myself) and sit your a$$ down and study.

Do not worry about the x-country and W&B problems. If you review these chapters 3 to 5 times you will have memorized the answers and no need to do the calculations.

I did this for my comm, cfi (both writtens), atp and fex writtens and it worked fine. My lowest grade was a 96 on the cfi (foi) test.

So 30 for the book and 60 to 80 for the test (depending where you take it). About 100 for the written. Saves 200 bucks. Thats the examiners fee (or most of it) for the ATP checkride. Be smart, not lazy, don't waste your cash.

Again I don't want to sound like a dick or ""mister i have so much exp." but I've said this many times on this board.

Note: I do recommend taking a course for the PPL and Inst. written as this is 90% of the material you will need for the comm/cfi/atp/fex, so you need to learn it early.

Good luck

 

[casper1nine]

another vote for buying the book, but seriously, if you are flying currently and maybe with an airline or in a similar environment, you could probably pass the test taking it blind. it was not that difficult. just use the cd-rom or test prep book of your choice, and don't get too stressed about it.
-casper

 

[FirstMate]

I studied for the written 3 days max prior to taking the test. I was told by the girl at the front desk that I got an 86. I was elated....when I got home I looked at the grade print out to find that there was someone elses name on the certificate...she gave me the incorrect test scores! after having a panic attack I got the balls to call the test center to see if I actually passed or not...luckily I did....I'm no prodigy, but it doesn't take a whole lot to pass...just read questions until you can recite the answers. its all rote memory.

 

[N8Dogg]

For the ATP written All ATP's is a waste of money! You are better off with the Gleim book or software.

 

[Visceral]

I studied for the written 3 days max prior to taking the test. I was told by the girl at the front desk that I got an 86. I was elated....when I got home I looked at the grade print out to find that there was someone elses name on the certificate...she gave me the incorrect test scores! after having a panic attack I got the balls to call the test center to see if I actually passed or not...luckily I did....I'm no prodigy, but it doesn't take a whole lot to pass...just read questions until you can recite the answers. its all rote memory.

I've seen it mentioned a few times here, but I just want to confirm from someone who has recently taken the ATP written test before I begin studying: Even the IFR XC and W&B questions are verbatim from the test bank?

Thanks

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Well I guess I'll join the WMU reunion. I took the written at ATP. It was cake. Went in, 6 hours later walked out with a 95%
Hey Mo, if you hear a Jetstream ending in VN on the radios in the northeast say hi.

 

[sgwabd]

I didn't like ALL ATPS but if you decide to use them, PM me and i can mail you some $15 doller off coupons.

 

[BE20AV8R]

I'm doing my ATP written this week... I came across the ATP test question bank on the FAA website..

http://av-info.faa.gov/data/airmanknowledge/atp.htm


I spent today going through all of the questions and highlighting the answers, what a pain. It's paired down to like 300 questions... better than ATP's if you ask me..

 

[BE20AV8R]

quick follow-up...

I took the test this weekend, the first 7 or questions were as predicted from the test bank on the FAA website, then came all the ones that weren't. Talk about freaking out!

All is well, I passed, just be cautious about using only those questions like I did...

 

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