ATP VMC Circling Limitation Removal

[Z_Pilot]

Dornier-

My airline has supplied free off time sim time to other furloughees. It is not advertised. However, those pilots had the money to stay current over the last two years. I am out of currency since fall '08, so I need a full training event. I doubt they will donate that much time. I am currently negotiating and hoping they'll cut me some sort of deal. If not, then it looks like I have to re-learn how to fly single-pilot GA to get this done.

 

[Dornier 335]

I am out of currency since fall '08, so I need a full training event. I doubt they will donate that much time. I am currently negotiating and hoping they'll cut me some sort of deal.

Z, this is a little bit of a challenge. I assume you want to be proficient as required by 61.58:

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, to serve as pilot in command of an aircraft that is type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember, a person must-
(1) Within the preceding 12 calendar months, complete a pilot-in-command proficiency check in an aircraft that is type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember; and
(2) Within the preceding 24 calendar months, complete a pilot-in-command proficiency check in the particular type of aircraft in which that person will serve as pilot in command.
(b) This section does not apply to persons conducting operations under subpart K of part 91, part 121, 125, 133, 135, or 137 of this chapter, or persons maintaining continuing qualification under an Advanced Qualification program approved under subpart Y of part 121 of this chapter.
(c) The pilot-in-command proficiency check given in accordance with the provisions of subpart K of part 91, part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter may be used to satisfy the requirements of this section.
(d) The pilot-in-command proficiency check required by paragraph (a) of this section may be accomplished by satisfactory completion of one of the following:
(1) A pilot-in-command proficiency check conducted by a person authorized by the Administrator, consisting of the maneuvers and procedures required for a type rating, in an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember;
(2) The practical test required for a type rating, in an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember;
(3) The initial or periodic practical test required for the issuance of a pilot examiner or check airman designation, in an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember; or
(4) A military flight check required for a pilot in command with instrument privileges, in an aircraft that the military requires to be operated by more than one pilot flight crewmember.
(e) A check or test described in paragraphs (d)(1) through (d)(4) of this section may be accomplished in a flight simulator under part 142 of this chapter, subject to the following:
(1) Except as provided for in paragraphs (e)(2) and (e)(3) of this section, if an otherwise qualified and approved flight simulator used for a pilot-in-command proficiency check is not qualified and approved for a specific required maneuver-
(i) The training center must annotate, in the applicant's training record, the maneuver or maneuvers omitted; and
(ii) Prior to acting as pilot in command, the pilot must demonstrate proficiency in each omitted maneuver in an aircraft or flight simulator qualified and approved for each omitted maneuver.
(2) If the flight simulator used pursuant to paragraph (e) of this section is not qualified and approved for circling approaches-
(i) The applicant's record must include the statement, “Proficiency in circling approaches not demonstrated”; and
(ii) The applicant may not perform circling approaches as pilot in command when weather conditions are less than the basic VFR conditions described in 91.155 of this chapter, until proficiency in circling approaches has been successfully demonstrated in a flight simulator qualified and approved for circling approaches or in an aircraft to a person authorized by the Administrator to conduct the check required by this section.
(3) If the flight simulator used pursuant to paragraph (e) of this section is not qualified and approved for landings, the applicant must-
(i) Hold a type rating in the airplane represented by the simulator; and
(ii) Have completed within the preceding 90 days at least three takeoffs and three landings (one to a full stop) as the sole manipulator of the flight controls in the type airplane for which the pilot-in-command proficiency check is sought.
(f) For the purpose of meeting the pilot-in-command proficiency check requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, a person may act as pilot in command of a flight under day VFR conditions or day IFR conditions if no person or property is carried, other than as necessary to demonstrate compliance with this part.
(g) If a pilot takes the pilot-in-command proficiency check required by this section in the calendar month before or the calendar month after the month in which it is due, the pilot is considered to have taken it in the month in which it was due for the purpose of computing when the next pilot-in-command proficiency check is due.

Reading 61.58 (a)(2) and assuming that you are more than 24 months out of currency I believe that you need a little bit more training and/or checks but I cannot find the reference right now. Any type rating training organization (TRTO) will probably try to sell you the whole initial package, but I don't think that you require to take a full initial class again (if you need to be current as per 61.58).

 

[JAFI]

Here is an interesting twist:

I am rated SIC only in the B737, if I do a PC in the 737, get the limitation removed, will the ATP read something along the lines of: Circ. Appch. Only approved for SIC??

Apples and Oranges. Your ATP is for Pilot in Command, so you would have to be PIC of the aircraft you are being examined in. Your 737 type is SIC and will have to show proficency as the SIC in the circle OR get the full type to get the SIC type rating restriction removed.

Just a PC will not do it unless you have a Examiner/Inspector conducting the PC. A Check Airman cannot change your certificate.