ATP required for type rating

[Diesel]

Have a bet with a case of beer on the line.....

If you have a commercial liscence and go for a type rating in a bandit for a cargo company do you need your atp?

Basically can you get a type without an atp? If it is possible are there any restrictions on the operation?

Thanks.

 

[FalconPilot69]

Here is one answer.

You do not have to have an atp if you are not flying for hire. You can go to your local FSDO and get a letter of authorization to operate whatever the aircraft is that you need a type in. You will however have to be able to pass a checkride like a 135 PIC ride or an ATP ride. If you are flying for hire, you must have an ATP and a type, if your aircraft is a turbo jet or an aircraft operating above 12,500 lbs.

For those that might want to say that I am full of it, here is the case in point. John Travolta has a type rating in the BBJ, Lear 25 and I believe a 737. He is however, only a private pilot with an instrument rating.

I hope this helps.

 

[JetBlast2000]

You owe me beer now!

Scheduled 135 with people ----yes ATP (cape AIr)
Non-scheduled 135 no atp (pax or not)
121 Captain yes!

 

[Diesel]

I'm still want to check with the fsdo.

This wouldn't be such a problem if my buddy wasn't lazy and had his atp.

PS scheduled 135 at cape air no type for the 402.

So the question still is:

Type rating required 135 cargo atp?

 

[Buckeye]

No you do not have to have an ATP to be typed in an aircraft that is on 135 Freight. At the company I flew DC-3's for you only needed you Commercial License, they had a max takeoff weight of 26,900lbs.

 

[TonyC]

Re: Here is one answer.

John Travolta has a type rating in the BBJ, Lear 25 and I believe a 737. He is however, only a private pilot with an instrument rating.

This from the FAA Registry :

JOHN JOSEPH TRAVOLTA
Address

Street 15821 VENTURA BLVD STE 460

City ENCINO State CALIFORNIA
County LOS ANGELES Zip Code 91436-4778
Country UNITED STATES




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Medical


Medical Class : First Medical Date: 05/2003




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Certificates

1 of 1






DOI : 09/04/2003
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT

Rating(s):

PRIVATE PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE









Type Ratings


P/CE-500 P/G-1159 P/HS-125 P/LR-JET




Limits


CE-500 (VFR ONLY).



Funny thing is, I assumed he was typed in his personal 707. (I wonder if they know he lives in Anthony, FL now?)

 

[d.fitz]

Any type rating checkride is also an ATP ride. So he will get it then anyway...

My first type I did not have the mins for ATP so I just got the type - I was flying part 91

The second I got the ATP - no difference in the checkride (at FSI anyway)


Bottom line - he should not have to get an ATP prior to the checkride...

 

[SquirrelDog]

Dude!!!

Do you have to post this question on all the different forums?
NOTE: see answers on GENERAL

 

[Diesel]

actually i do. As you can see there are a ton of different answers.

Plus it's a CASE of beer. Not just a beer.

If you don't lik it don't read it.

 

[TonyC]

However, ...

actually i do. As you can see there are a ton of different answers.

Do you want a "ton of different answers" or just the right one?