ATP question

[mrpilotguy]

So I have the hours, but I am a little confused about something with regards to the ATP. I am currently flying as a co-pilot in a c-130, but I would like to take my ATP checkride. Do I have to be PIC of the aircraft in order to take the check ride?

Thanks

 

[JAFI]

Yes, there is no "co-pilot" ATP checkride.

 

[HSDriver]

NO, You don't have to currently be a PIC to take the checkride. What are you confused about? Do you meet the requirements spelled out in part 61? What are you taking the checkride in? No, you couldn't take the checkride acting as SIC.

 

[jimpilot]

You have to perform the duties of PIC, but you don't have to be the actual PIC. Do you have access to a sim, that's the easiest way to get it done.

 

[JAFI]

During the ATP check ride you WILL BE the PIC of the aircraft/Simulator for the purpose of the exam. It does not matter if the company (121/135/etc.) can or cannot use you in that capacity later. For the check ride you are and must demonstrate that you can act as PIC. The Examiner/Inspector is directed to not be the PIC.

ATP - PTS page 15

Examiner Responsibility

For aircraft requiring only one pilot, the examiner may not assist the applicant in the management of the aircraft, radio communications, tuning and identifying navigational equipment, or using navigation charts. If the examiner, other than an FAA Inspector, is qualified and current in the specific make and model aircraft that is certified for two or more crewmembers, he or she may occupy a duty position.


If the examiner occupies a duty position on an aircraft that requires two or more crewmembers, the examiner must fulfill the duties of that position. Moreover, when occupying a required duty position, the examiner must perform crew resource management (CRM) functions as briefed and requested by the applicant except during the accomplishment of steep turns and approach to stalls. During these two TASKs the applicant must demonstrate their ability to control the aircraft without the intervention from the non flying pilot.

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I will try to find where it specifically says who is PIC.

 

[JAFI]

Order 8900.1

Volume 5 airman certification

Chapter 1 DIRECTION, GUIDANCE, AND PROCEDURES FOR title 14 cfr PARTS 121/135 AND GENERAL AVIATION

Section 2 Aviation Safety Inspector (Operations) Qualifications and Status

5-26 INSPECTOR STATUS DURING PRACTICAL TESTS.

A.Pilot-in-Command Status. An inspector conducts a practical test to observe and evaluate an applicant’s ability to perform the procedures and maneuvers required for the pilot certificate or rating.

1) The inspector is not the pilot in command (PIC) of the aircraft during the practical test unless acting in that capacity for the flight, or a portion of the flight, by prior arrangement with the applicant or other PIC.

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So if the Inspector is not the PIC in an aircraft with only two people, then the applicant muct be the PIC. If the Inspector/Examiner is observing in a multi crew aircraft the applicant is still the PIC during the exam.

 

[AC560]

unless acting in that capacity for the flight, or a portion of the flight, by prior arrangement with the applicant or other PIC.

The examiner is not PIC unless.

 

[JAFI]

The examiner is not PIC unless.

It is for the exception, but I don't know why it is there. So why would the applicant NOT be the PIC (assuming the rating is not Flight Engineer which the Examiner could be PIC)? I have never heard of or can think of a time (non FE exam) the Examiner/Inspector would accept being the PIC during a rating exam. This is the only time a non rated person (for that aircraft, weather condition, etc.) can legally be PIC other than an emergency (such as a non pilot taking the controls when the PIC has a heart attack).


61.47 Status of an examiner who is authorized by the Administrator to conduct practical tests.
(a) An examiner represents the Administrator for the purpose of conducting practical tests for certificates and ratings issued under this part and to observe an applicant's ability to perform the areas of operation on the practical test.
(b) The examiner is not the pilot in command of the aircraft during the practical test unless the examiner agrees to act in that capacity for the flight or for a portion of the flight by prior arrangement with:
(1) The applicant; or
(2) A person who would otherwise act as pilot in command of the flight or for a portion of the flight.
(c) Notwithstanding the type of aircraft used during the practical test, the applicant and the examiner (and any other occupants authorized to be on board by the examiner) are not subject to the requirements or limitations for the carriage of passengers that are specified in this chapter.

 

[AC560]

I have never heard of or can think of a time (non FE exam) the Examiner/Inspector would accept being the PIC during a rating exam.

Not uncommon (though not exactly common either) in GA due to insurance requirements especially in twins/retracts.

 

[Flex-ible]

So I have the hours, but I am a little confused about something with regards to the ATP. I am currently flying as a co-pilot in a c-130, but I would like to take my ATP checkride. Do I have to be PIC of the aircraft in order to take the check ride?

Thanks

So I assume you are flying Part 135, and your plan is to take the ATP in conjunction with a 293/297/299 check. If that is the case, you would have to take the checkride from the left seat if there are any controls that are accessible only from that seat (normally a tiller for ground ops - does it have one?)

If you have a company check airman doing the rides, you can't get the ATP unless he/she is also an FAA designated examiner.