ATP License with less than 250 hrs PIC

[Flyer1015]

Hey guys,

I was wondering about how some pilots get the ATP with less than 250 hrs PIC. Something about using their SIC time to credit towards the total time. Or something about 'holder does not meet ICAO standards of PIC". Anyway, I'm in that boat. I have 158 hrs PIC and a boatload of SIC jet time. What options do I have for getting an ATP, short of blowing 8 grand in a C152 to rent for 92 hours?

 

[greyskyracer]

The first officer that I was paired with on my last recurrent training had an ATP with a restriction that would not allow him to exercise his ATP privileges out side of the US until he obtains the 250 PIC. I think the 250 pic is an ICAO thing.

 

[Flex-ible]

I think it's called a "frozen ATP" - you passed the checkride, but didn't meet all the qualifications so it's frozen until you do.

 

[Flyer1015]

Frozen ATP is foreign (like JAA). FAA does not have a frozen ATPL. So that's why I'm wondering about how one goes about it to get a FAA with less than 250 hrs PIC.

 

[JAFI]

Did you try looking in part 61? It is in there........

 

[Flyer1015]

Yes, but the explanation is convoluted. I can't follow it. Any "for Dummies" explanation?

 

[AC560]

What options do I have for getting an ATP, short of blowing 8 grand in a C152 to rent for 92 hours?

Can save $5 by picking up one of these.

 

[nismo611]

Can save $5 by picking up one of these.

He would only save $4.01, why can't pilots do math.
You may as well pencil whip your log book, most pilots display about that level of skill.

 

[propilot]

Hey guys,

I was wondering about how some pilots get the ATP with less than 250 hrs PIC. Something about using their SIC time to credit towards the total time. Or something about 'holder does not meet ICAO standards of PIC". Anyway, I'm in that boat. I have 158 hrs PIC and a boatload of SIC jet time. What options do I have for getting an ATP, short of blowing 8 grand in a C152 to rent for 92 hours?

2nd job instructing? Ferry pilot? How about getting the EXPERIENCE anyway you can? No offense, well maybe, but you have 158 hours of PIC and now you wanna play Captain in the RJ?

 

[Joblu]

Hey guys,

I was wondering about how some pilots get the ATP with less than 250 hrs PIC. Something about using their SIC time to credit towards the total time. Or something about 'holder does not meet ICAO standards of PIC". Anyway, I'm in that boat. I have 158 hrs PIC and a boatload of SIC jet time. What options do I have for getting an ATP, short of blowing 8 grand in a C152 to rent for 92 hours?

It's an ICAO restriction. You can get the ATP but you will be domestic only until you pass the requirement. They don't issue those where you are at? I mean it's only for a month or so. You should ask your POI.

 

[gangdev]

I know of a pilot who upgraded with less than 250 PIC - the temporary restriction was removed when he reached 250 PIC. In your case, it wouldn't take too long.

 

[Flyer1015]

2nd job instructing? Ferry pilot? How about getting the EXPERIENCE anyway you can? No offense, well maybe, but you have 158 hours of PIC and now you wanna play Captain in the RJ?

A significant number of CAs at my regional upgraded with less than 250 hrs. Mostly from the Gulfstream program. Lay the bashing off please. I just wanted the info on how it's done. It can be, and has been done.

 

[propilot]

A significant number of CAs at my regional upgraded with less than 250 hrs. Mostly from the Gulfstream program. Lay the bashing off please. I just wanted the info on how it's done. It can be, and has been done.

Who's bashing? I just think that in light of some of the current issues in this industry it would be nice if you actually met the requirements for the certificate you'd like to hold...

 

[Lynxman]

Who's bashing? I just think that in light of some of the current issues in this industry it would be nice if you actually met the requirements for the certificate you'd like to hold...

I agree no offense to the op but this means you went to somewhere like ATP and got hired as soon as you finished the program. When you think about it if you did go that route I'm sure some of your PIC time was as a safety pilot. Aren't you a little worried to be in charge of many passengers lives without really having anytime under your belt? Like I said not trying to bash you just think about it when your flying next.

 

[Flyer1015]

just think that in light of some of the current issues in this industry it would be nice if you actually met the requirements for the certificate you'd like to hold...

Taking off the wrong runway or stalling into the ground are basic fundamental errors that happened to both an experienced crew and an inexperienced crew. I do meet the requirements for the ATP. But with the ICAO restriction.

 

[J.Otto]

I had 400 hours of PIC when I took my CFI rides. Right after my PP, I did lots of trips with friends and girlfriends. It amazes me how many new pilots have never really flown for leisurely purposes before becoming a professional pilot.

 

[Lynxman]

Right ^^^

 

[wrxpilot]

I had 400 hours of PIC when I took my CFI rides. Right after my PP, I did lots of trips with friends and girlfriends. It amazes me how many new pilots have never really flown for leisurely purposes before becoming a professional pilot.

Sad really... They've missed out on an entirely different world of aviation.