ATNMEC closes pilot web board

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

The majority!!! And the marjority will either vote it in or out. This isn't a dictatorship.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Not to split hairs but wouldn't it be more like an oligarchy?

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Ok. But u get the point.

 

[Lear70]

If you want to call a recall now, all you have to do is petition the LEC Chairman in writing for a special LEC meeting at the earliest convenience with the recall of _______ as the main agenda item.

It will take 4-6 weeks for them to call a meeting (they have to give the pilots enough notice to bid around it if they want to attend). Then you have to get enough of your like-minded constituents to show up in order to pass it at the LEC meeting. Then it goes to vote.

Voting takes another week to set up and runs 2-3 weeks. Once that rep is removed the other reps vote their roll call vote. If it still doesn't go the way you want, repeat process.

In the meantime, it takes about a month to run nominations and elections for a replacement rep.

I don't think you can get it done in time to affect this...

 

[RLAblows]

I can't imagine the powder keg of anger that would explode if this is blocked by the MEC.

 

[Britpilot]

I can't imagine the powder keg of anger that would explode if this is blocked by the MEC.

You're right. Through their many leaks (LEC,MEC,MC) they have created this ridiculous situation.
Closing the forum (which is paid for with our dues) does nothing except lower my confidence in these people.

 

[PCL_128]

Problem is some of us are getting the feeling that a few on our MEC have already decided that they are going to turn down the AIP.

Since they've seen it, and we haven't, maybe they have a better idea of whether it is worthy of our consideration or not. But I have yet to talk to a rep who says that their mind is already made up, anyway. They're all leaning in one direction or another, but everyone is saying that they're waiting to see the full language before making a decision. No need to get all bent out of shape now when the reps still haven't made any final decisions.

If they get their way, we are never going to see it

Even if the agreement doesn't go out for a vote, they can still let us see it. I would imagine that they would if they decide to vote it down, because if they're not going to send it out, they'll probably want to show us why, so we can understand their reasoning. Not even letting anyone see it would create a political firestorm, and they're not going to do that, I'm sure.

I trust the folks on the MC. I don't really trust my MEC.

Just a couple of weeks ago, everyone said that they trust their MEC. When the MEC was making crazy decisions like recalling officers and committee chairmen, everyone said "well, we trust them, so I guess it's ok." But now suddenly the trust has disappeared? It seems that trust if very fleeting for some of you.

 

[Lear70]

Just a couple of weeks ago, everyone said that they trust their MEC. When the MEC was making crazy decisions like recalling officers and committee chairmen, everyone said "well, we trust them, so I guess it's ok." But now suddenly the trust has disappeared? It seems that trust if very fleeting for some of you.

*snerk*

If the spirit of the AIP is honored in the writing of the language, then nearly every rep I've spoken to says they will send it out to the pilot group (and that's enough for a majority and it will come out). If it's not, then we have a different discussion on our hands, but I think it will be just fine in that regard.

If there is a rep that ISN'T saying that, it's because they believe it's a disservice to their constituency and that's who they represent, not the pilot group as a whole, but their particular demographic (which is why the last T.A. that became our contract didn't come to us with a unanimous vote by the MEC). However, even though that person voted NO, it still came to us anyway and now it's our CBA.

People need to chillax. The system works. Call/eMail your reps, let them know what you expect from them, then wait for the process to work its way through.

 

[XR650R]

Really, both boards should allow this AIP to reach the members. This isn't a Section Six where you can just kick it back to the NC for more negotiation. The members need to see this unvarnished an make their own individual decision. Then let the chips fall where they may.
The deal (especially regarding the AT guys) is as good as it's ever gonna get. An arbitrator my slightly fiddle with some of the numbers but I'd be willing to bet they would use this ISL as a starting point. All other guarantees and protections set forth in the AIP will probably be highly degraded or even evaporate entirely.

 

[NuGuy]

Rather than shut the whole thing down, couldn't they have suspended the offenders from posting for some amount of time?

Heyas,

You can't suspend "offenders" on a union webboard. Even removing posts has to be done very, VERY carefully, and then they have to clearly violate the terms and conditions of the site.

Pulling the plug on people on a union forum willy-nilly is a sure fire way to wind up in Federal Court, and paying treble damages from a OLMS complaint.

Nu