Atlas Air

[asacap]

I know this has been covered before, but I can't find very specific info. I am interested in a typical schedule and how long it takes to bid off of Stansted. Also, what is the normal schedule in Stansted if I were to move there while being based there. My goal is to eventually move to MIA. What are schedules like there too. Any other info would be appreciated also. Thank you very much.

 

[BusterHymen]

STN Info

I know this has been covered before, but I can't find very specific info. I am interested in a typical schedule and how long it takes to bid off of Stansted. Also, what is the normal schedule in Stansted if I were to move there while being based there. My goal is to eventually move to MIA. What are schedules like there too. Any other info would be appreciated also. Thank you very much.

Bidding off STN might not be an easy task, due to the fact that it's our junior base and commuting there is not all that desireable. The normal schedule consists of flying out of Europe to the Middle East, India ,and Asia. MIA schedules are primarily for Lan Chile, and we usually go to BOG, UIO, VCP, and SCL, all the MIA flying is on the -200. I hope this info was helpful.

 

[BusterHymen]

Atlas & United .............. Rumors

First it was UPS, then FedEx, now I'm hearing that Atlas and United might be looking at some sort of ACMI contract. United has expressed an interest in getting back into the cargo arena again, and probably compete with likes of NWA cargo.

Anybody out there heard anything like this?


Happy Holidays!

 

[asacap]

How about the schedules? Are they week on week off? If you live in the base, like stn, are there 3 or 4 day trips? Also, is it possible to be based back in the states in a year or so? How long does it take to get MIA? Thanks again.

 

[Rhoid]

How about the schedules? Are they week on week off? If you live in the base, like stn, are there 3 or 4 day trips? Also, is it possible to be based back in the states in a year or so? How long does it take to get MIA? Thanks again.

Have you applied to UPS? They have a MIA domicile and it's very junior, so junior in fact that next year when most of the ROPES finally retire and they have to hire into the right seat, there is a very good chance of a new hire getting MIA right off the bat.

 

[GCD]

United was working a deal for us to start their cargo back up for them.

A UAL pilot in my unit says that their MEC had agreed to this, but has since pulled out of the agreement.

 

[Rhoid]

United was working a deal for us to start their cargo back up for them.

A UAL pilot in my unit says that their MEC had agreed to this, but has since pulled out of the agreement.

You are correct, UAL wanted to outsource the cargo flying but ALPA nixed the plan. Here is the entire list of what each side wanted and what each side got
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Comparison of Company’s Term Sheet to Tentative Agreement
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ALPA Concessions
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Contractual Issue
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Company’s Term Sheet Demands
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Tentative Agreement
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Duration (Section 22)

Through Dec 31, 2010

Through Dec 31, 2009

Wage Cuts

8-18%, depending on work rule modifications

14.7%; Current Book increases of 1.5% in ’06, ’07, ’08, & ‘09

• Add 1% raise in Jan ‘08

Late Night Flying Premium

Eliminate

Eliminated

Co Paid Future Retiree Life Insurance ($10K)

Eliminate

Eliminated

International Premium Pay

No Change

Eliminated

A Plan

ALPA agrees to termination

ALPA will not oppose termination if BK Court determines it is required for exit

Company Demands Rejected by ALPA
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Contractual Issue
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Company’s Term Sheet Demands
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Tentative Agreement
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BK exit wage cut

Additional 4% cut from

Jan 1, ’05 until BK Exit

Rejected by ALPA

Potential Temporary Wage Cuts after BK exit

Additional 4% cut for up to 6 months if company would otherwise default on loan covenants

Rejected by ALPA

Vacation Accrual

Large reduction as follows:

Year 1 14 Days

Year 5 21 Days

Year 10 28 Days

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Sick Leave

Paid at 70%

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Occupational injury or illness

Worker’s Comp only

(≈ $1000 per week)

• No SL usage

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Family Leave

Concurrent usage of FMLA & Sick Leave which results in less time off

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Monthly Cap for 767/777/747

Increase to 95 hours actual

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Minimum Days off for 767/777/747

Reduce to 10 days

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

777/747 Crew Augmentation

Create IRP position

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Training Center

Replace PIs with Non-Pilot Contract Instructors

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Company Demands Rejected by ALPA (cont’d)
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Contractual Issue
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Company’s Term Sheet Demands
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Tentative Agreement
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Vacation Drops

Pay 2.8 hrs per day in lieu of trip value

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Other paid absences (e.g. jury duty, death-in-family, PC/PT, ALPA, NQ)

Pay 2.8 hrs per day in lieu of trip value

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

ACMI (Cargo Wet Lease)

Outsourcing of cargo operation to be flown by non-UAL pilots

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Medical, Dental, and Drug Plan Changes

Significant increases to premium sharing, deductibles and out-of-pocket caps

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Short-Term Disability

Eliminate

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Co Paid Accidental Death & Dismemberment Insurance

Eliminate

Rejected by ALPA

No Changes to current CBA

Company Concessions
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Contractual Issue
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Company’s Term Sheet Demands
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Tentative Agreement
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Additional Pay Increase

NONE

Additional 1% pay increase

• effective Jan ‘08

B Plan Modification

(DC Plan)

Additional 4% contribution to B Plan, option for ALPA to increase to 7% through further concessions

Additional 6% “C” Plan fully funded by company; in addition to the current 9% B Plan contribution

Convertible Notes

NONE

$550M convertible bond or its equivalent value to be distributed to eligible pilots with the allocation and mechanics of distribution to be determined by UAL-MEC

Profit Sharing

Pro-rata share of 15% of profits;



Fully vests after 5 years

Pro-rata share of profits.

· $10 mill trigger

· 7.5% in ’05 & ‘06,

· 15% thereafter

· Eligible after 1 year

Work Rule Improvements

NONE

Elimination of all domestic moveable RDOs

RLA Section 6

Negotiation Process

NONE

Shortened Negotiating process through early Federal Mediation (NMB)

Additional Company Stock

NONE

New stock allocation formula has been plussed up to account for additional concessions

 

[asacap]

I missed the window for UPS. I will apply next time there is an opening.

 

[asacap]

I'm still looking for Atlas info if anyone has some. Thank you.

 

[House_X]

I'm still looking for Atlas info if anyone has some. Thank you.

yeah...that would be nice...I was waiting as well, but it seems nobody wants to answer for us "wannabes".

I had a question: would Atlas hire pilots that don't have the 1000 turbine pic? I know that Gemini is hiring F/O's from the regionals. I could go to Stanstead ASAP, so I figured I have a chance with Atlas.

 

[twabudman]

Rumor has it --- Atlas to become Polar -----

 

[heilhaavir]

oh really? and when did that one come out TW?

 

[BusterHymen]

How about the schedules? Are they week on week off? If you live in the base, like stn, are there 3 or 4 day trips? Also, is it possible to be based back in the states in a year or so? How long does it take to get MIA? Thanks again.

asacap,

The schedules vary from month to month, depending on customer requirements. There are a few 3 to 4 day trips, but often get extended to 5 to 7 days. It is possible to get based back in MIA or another stateside base, but if you were to come on now, I wouldn't see that happening any time soon, there is just not too much movement going on now. I heard that our new hire classes have been delayed until March, and could be pushed back further!

I hope this answers your questions, Happy Holidays!

 

[asacap]

BusterHymen,Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.