Atlas Accepting Applications

[KeroseneSnorter]

Hate to tell you this but unless it was in writing, witnessed, or recorded in some way your out of luck. We deal in grievances ever day that the company said one thing and then individual crewmembers took them on their word. Later the company says it never happened and the arbitor says tough luck to the crewmember. I imagine court would be the same.

You can always sue someone over anything. It's a matter of how much money you want to give a lawyer to roll the dice.

I have little interest in such a course of action, however I am pretty sure the same thing is stated on the paperwork applicants received from the company during the interview. At the time it was to make sure that nobody complained about having their base changed to Stanstead later and a possible change in work rules or class date requirements to fill classes.....however given recent events it may be turned back on the company.

I am sure there are a few pack rats that kept the paperwork. Probably only a matter of digging it out of somebodys dusty file cabinent.

 

[bman]

Nothing new here. Atlas will be furloughing before they start hiring again...at least the Polar pilots will have all the good -400 jobs and we can spread the word about the ScAtlas pilots.

This is from our company website:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial,]Title: Hiring
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,]Item Number: 3387
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,]Updated: 6/26/2006 1:560 PM
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,]Question: Will we be hiring any additional crewmembers this year? If so what are the projected needs?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,]Response: [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,][FONT=Arial,]There is no additional Crewmember hiring expected at either Atlas or Polar for 2006. First, as was announced in April, Polar's remaining Classics will cease flying at the end of this month, resulting in a significant reduction in Crewmember staffing at Polar. On the Atlas side, aircraft N496MC will be moving to Polar on or about August first, which will reduce the total fleet at Atlas to 26.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

Fodder

Where are all the good -400 jobs? I been studying at TRUCKMASTER as a backup! What are you plans? I've been packing my chute since day one (force of habit in this biz)!

PS

I posed the referenced ? to the rumour board. You might be careful about posting that kind of stuff so directly (read unedited) on a public board. Of course what are they gonna do?

 

[cfire]

I just got the word on the Atlas job posting.

According to Cato's step child M. Bryant System Chief Pilot for life of Atlas Air. He advised the Atlas MEC that the origination of the posting was a Polar employee using a company email account and sending it to a number of employees. That was in turn posted on the Atlas ALPA site which I in turn picked up and put up here thinking it was legit. The company web page didn't help either making it look like they were pooling guys again. A mass of others began sending in info/resume's which was promptly ignored instead of a normal reply by Denise in flight ops of not accepting..

So I, along with many other's, got burned by another Polar guy again. Ha-Ha, very funny.

Nothing new here. Atlas will be furloughing before they start hiring again...at least the Polar pilots will have all the good -400 jobs and we can spread the word about the ScAtlas pilots.

Hopefully you might become an asset instead of a continuous liability. I for one am tired of my profit sharing being p!ssed away first buying and then supporting Polar while they are used against us by AAWW.

Bobb Henderson and Robin H. have done a fine job letting everyone in ALPA know what kind of guys they are and your council. Of course that could just be the guys on the executive council saying one thing in front of us and another to your MEC. Considering how lonely Bobb and Robin are during those meetings, I would venture what they are saying to us about Polar is what they believe. Which is not anything positive. Many job sites and companies are very aware of the Polar group and not in a good way.

 

[camper1159]

Does anyone care?

 

[Whale Rider]

Yep, Blame it on the Polar guys....hehehe! Whatever....

 

[cr7driver]

1000 hours PIC

I understand that they are not hiring......however here is a what if question??
I am currently a 747-200 F/o doing the same type of flying as Atlas and Polar. I do not have the 1000 hours of PIC time. Would I stand a chance?

 

[furloughfodder]

You must have 1000 hours of PIC in something right? It can be 1000 hours PIC in a Cessna 172. They just prefer jet time, but it can be in anything.

If you have 747 time, they will hire you in a heartbeat. Now, as far as coming to this company, I would think twice about that...especially the Atlas side.

 

[furloughfodder]

cfire,

That is a classic post. You guys come on this site, and PPRUNE yapping about Atlas starting up hiring and then try to blame that on Polar?

You are a just plane wacky.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

No!

Does anyone care?

It's just the same folks bitching all the time!

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

CR7, that is the greatest avatar ever!

CE

 

[cfire]

cfire,

That is a classic post. You guys come on this site, and PPRUNE yapping about Atlas starting up hiring and then try to blame that on Polar?

Actually, M Bryant System Chief Pilot for life blamed Polar. If the shoe fits though, wear it fodder.

I was just trying to correct my error when I found out about it. Wish that could be said of our sister union at Polar.

I've been told the posting showed up at skyjobs.net on the 22nd. Three days prior to my posting of it here. So I'm not the only one burned by it.

I am currently a 747-200 F/o doing the same type of flying as Atlas and Polar. I do not have the 1000 hours of PIC time. Would I stand a chance?

You would be in there.

Don't worry about having to work on the Polar side. Polar won't be hiring for some time.

To counter fodder,
As far as quality of personnel a United guy (also council committee member) in NRT I bumped into two weeks ago said it best, "You can always tell who is a Polar crewmember in a room without having to ask." It wasn't said in a flattering way.

 

[furloughfodder]

I wasn't talking about quality of personal at Atlas, I was talking about quality of life.

PS - The way to find the Polar pilot in the room, he will be the one with all the chicks hanging on him.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

PS - The way to find the Polar pilot in the room, he will be the one with all the chicks hanging on him.

Yeah, he's the one with with all the skanky chicks around him, hanging out at the RED LION in VCP:nuts:

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Yeah, he's the one with with all the skanky chicks around him, hanging out at the RED LION in VCP:nuts:

I LOL'd

CE

(That place seem really popular with the cargo dogs)
((she'll love you long time))

 

[furloughfodder]

Yeah, he's the one with with all the skanky chicks around him, hanging out at the RED LION in VCP:nuts:

Yeah, good ole' VCP. It's not quite the same since you guys started flying down there. After the Atlas guy complained about having too much catering they slashed it to one meal each. with no more cake or ice cream. Then the other Atlas guy called the company about the "Milk Run" that had been going on for the last 10 years and promptly put an end to that. Such sticks in the mud.

Also, the girls at the Lion all say that the Atlas guys have small johnsons, and they tip like crap.

 

[cfire]

Yeah, good ole' VCP. It's not quite the same since you guys started flying down there. After the Atlas guy complained about having too much catering they slashed it to one meal each. with no more cake or ice cream. Then the other Atlas guy called the company about the "Milk Run" that had been going on for the last 10 years and promptly put an end to that. Such sticks in the mud.

Also, the girls at the Lion all say that the Atlas guys have small johnsons, and they tip like crap.

I agree with the United guy on my earlier post and furloughfodder is right also, Polar guys are bigger johnsons than Atlas guys.

furloughfodder,

You speak like your an old pro when you're really a guy hired back in late 04 at the expense of about 150 Atlas guys getting furloughed while you and Polar benefited from it. Less than two years at Polar. Your dedication to your union council is admirable but misplaced. Why don't you realize what you are or go get some professional counseling. I have not checked to see if your one of the Polar furloughed or not. If you are, then I guess your feeling what a number of Atlas guys went through.

Slide Show and Furloughfodder fits Second Atlas Furlough
About slide 18 through 20
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Polar or Southern? What would you do?
Well, if you were offered a class date at both of these airlines starting the same day...what would you do?

Pros and Cons that I have so far:

Polar Pros: 747-400's, type rate everyone, bigger more stable(?) company, unionized, 16 day bids

Polar Cons: Based at JFK have to get yourself there, longer upgrade (3+ years?), the whole ATLAS/POLAR thing

Southern Pros: potential FAST upgrade (like 6 months), expanding (gone from 1 to 4 jets and getting more soon), based at home

Southern Cons: no union, 20 days out a month, sort of unproven

Any help would be great, especially from people working at these companies.

Yes, yes. I know! The decision is mine to make. So before you flame me, just remember I am only asking for input, not someone to tell me where to go..

thanks!
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Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?

 

[furloughfodder]

Cfire,

There is still hope for you:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=81844

Cheers