ATI and the IBT

[flyinboxes]

Hello ATI'ers. Heard some rumblings form a few of your crew members a while back that you guys may be going solo or ALPA. Still any rumblings going on?

 

[FastHap]

Hello ATI'ers. Heard some rumblings form a few of your crew members a while back that you guys may be going solo or ALPA. Still any rumblings going on?

And why is that any concern of Asstar??

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

And why is that any concern of Asstar??

Why is it any concern of your's as he was addressing ATI pilots.
The guy asked a question without disparaging spelling of company names. Obviously the same can not be said of you.

 

[rotor&wing]

And why is that any concern of Asstar??

Paranoia running high I see........

 

[b707guy]

Either would be new to me. We discussed going in-house a number of years ago and decided against it, and ALPA has never really been on our minds as we LIKE our PFEs. We're sticking with the devil we know for the time being, which is IBT 747.

 

[rotor&wing]

Either would be new to me. We discussed going in-house a number of years ago and decided against it, and ALPA has never really been on our minds as we LIKE our PFEs. We're sticking with the devil we know for the time being, which is IBT 747.

Just curious as to the comment " and ALPA has never really been on our minds as we LIKE our PFEs."

Care to elaborate on this?

 

[flyinboxes]

And why is that any concern of Asstar??

The picture is MUCH bigger than that seen through the coke bottle lensed glasses of the 1224. Thanks for your concern though.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

Either would be new to me. We discussed going in-house a number of years ago and decided against it, and ALPA has never really been on our minds as we LIKE our PFEs. We're sticking with the devil we know for the time being, which is IBT 747.

I'm sure that ABX LIKES their PFE's, too. Unfortunately nobody can protect PFE's from the company's decisions. All of ABX's PFE's are on the street and they are IBT.

Astar SO's aren't paid as much as ABX's were (when they had them) but they ARE paid as much or more that most legacy pax carrier FO's. AND there is a shred of a chance of future growth at Astar unlike some other places.

The reality is that the plight of PFE's has little to do with whether a carrier is ALPA or IBT. The strength, direction, and destiny of ANY union comes from within the ranks of that carriers own pilot group - NOT from the national union council that represents them. Virtually any failure of our unions can be directly attributed to the local leadership of that union.

That being said, however, IF you ever need resources EITHER IBT or ALPA would be worlds better than going independent. Lawyers, strike funds, contract negotiating experience, communication systems, surveys, etc., etc. are all things that you'd be hard pressed to have in any really useful amount with an independent union. ALPA and IBT both have their plusses and minuses but either would be better than going it alone.

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[countbat]

As a former Eastern guy I am a pro union. But lately I'm strongly starting to have the feeling that both, ALPA and Teamsters, have grown too big and they are not up to their original purpose anymore. Both are becoming more and more some kind of Mafia kind of organization.

 

[FastHap]

And why is that any concern of Asstar??

That was uncalled for, and I apologize. I will now unplug my computer until I learn to play nice with others.