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atcloser

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Dont know if any of you know this, but every Air Traffic Controller in the FAA has been locked down in their facility for the course of their shift. THis started on Sunday the 3rd, when a new "contract" was imposed by the FAA on the controllers. I use quotes in the word contract, because NATCA, our union, has not ratified or agreed to the terms of this new contract.

Getting back to the lockdown. We are not permitted to leave the facility now to get lunch/dinner. If you dont brown bag it, or your forget to bring your lunch, you most likely not be able to eat during your shift. The only exceptions to this are: 1) if you facility has a crapateria, and you actually get your chow break in time before the crapateria closes (these places are closed at nights, holidays and weekends though), 2) one person per shift at my facility will be allowed to go on a chow run for the rest, however that person will be forced to go on excused leave for that time, and not get paid any pay differntials for that time...talk about a mutiny in sector in deciding who loses pay to get the food...

many towers can only be accessed through the gate areas at major airports, meaning the controller has to be screened by TSA, which in turn means, no liqiuds or any of that jazz. now they cant bring their lunch, they cant leave the facility for lunch, so they starve for their 8 hour shift.

some facilities have even removed vending machines or snack bodegas.

This gets better. We cannot leave the building for any reason, whether it be to go have a smoke, take a walk, get some fresh air because many of us choke on dust because the air quality is so lethal in these facilities. Some facilities are letting controllers leave the building but must be available for recall within 30 seconds via a cell phone. And you must tell the supervisor each time you leave, and leave your cell phone number. Some facilities are requiring bathroom breaks to be limited to 5 minutes, and must also be available for immediate recall...go think about that one. Some facilities just dont let their controllers go outside for any reason (even to roll up their car windows if it starts raining).

Oh and as for Laura Brown, spokesperson for the FAA, who stated that if a controller is fatigued or not fit to work, he should not report to work and would not be disciplined. Wanna know the truth? On the exteme side, some have been threatened with suspension and termination if they say they are fatigued and cannot work. Others have been told to go work anyway and deal with it.

So while all you pilots are flying around, think about your controller who has probably got minimal sleep the night before, is being harassed and intimated by the FAA every minute of every day, and probably hasnt been able to eat a thing in 8 hours.

Oh, but now that we are all dressed in business casual attire (and believe me managers all the sudden are fashion police deciding whether your khakis or brown shoes are dressy enough), safety will never be compromised, you can rest assured that my situational awareness has increased by 60% now that I am dressed up... And as long as the FAA can save money through short staffing, forcing controllers to work 20 out of 26 hours, etc, they will have plenty to spend on their $18 million meeting of the minds in St Louis this week -- i.e. all management of every FAA facility going to STL to learn about how to impose the new contract.
 
Welcome to my world as a pilot.....just part of the "labor" game unfortunately. Thanks for your hard work.
 
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That sucks, but if you're looking for sympathy a pilot webboard may be a poor choice.
 
This industry has been brutal to many of us, not just pilots, but mechanics, flight attendants as well as controllers to name a few. Do what you gotta do, but be safe.
 
This is why all organized labor in aviation needs to pull together and stand together. If the controllers strike we'll Bush pull a Reagan. If pilots from one carrier strike then we'll see another carrier grow. We need to all stand together and show the public that the FAA likes to talk out of both sides of their mouth. They preach that safety is paramount and that is all the public hears. How many LEX type tragedies will it take for the public to take notice that the FAA doesn't always practice what it preaches but simply does what every political organization does, favors whomever gives them the money!
 
atcloser said:
So while all you pilots are flying around, think about your controller who has probably got minimal sleep the night before, is being harassed and intimated by the FAA every minute of every day, and probably hasnt been able to eat a thing in 8 hours.

"Us pilots" wouldn't know a thing about getting minimal sleep...:rolleyes:


Cry me freakin' river. Still got your pension and government bennies I bet.


Welcome to the party pal...:rolleyes:
 
I sympathize with you. Dont listen to Labatts. I have a few buddies in atc and have tremendous respect for you guys. Best of luck to all in these f'ed up times.
 
StarChecker said:
"Us pilots" wouldn't know a thing about getting minimal sleep...:rolleyes:


Cry me freakin' river. Still got your pension and government bennies I bet.


Welcome to the party pal...:rolleyes:

It sure is easy to spot the little crap hitler boy. Better get in, and get dinner before you get introuble from your mom again. Dinner is important, before you clean your room. Good night little boy.
 
Have you thought about sending emails such as the original post to CNN, FOX news etc? After the LEX crash they should be all over something like that.

Also why isn't your union all over the media talking about it? (ALPA also needs to be more proactive with the rest rules we operate under)
 
Wow, tuff crowd...................................


I always thought the governments #1 priority as well as the Airlines is "SAFETY". Doesnt sound like they are acting that way. Maybe some free leaks to the media and some public education may be in order. It deffinately doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling reading your post since I do this for a living! I have worked with you guys and gals for 24+ years now and have the utmost respect for you all. I want you well rested and deffinately fed with scheduled breaks throughout the day so your there at 100 percent when I really need you the most!

Best of luck getting things changed in the interest of "SAFETY"
 
Maybe a little off point but I just recently lost ALL confidence in the FAA when the BIGGEST idiot I've ever had to work with (A&P) got hired by the FAA as an airworthiness inspector! This guy borders on being dangerous but hey the feds only hire the best right?
 
StarChecker said:
"Us pilots" wouldn't know a thing about getting minimal sleep...:rolleyes:


Cry me freakin' river. Still got your pension and government bennies I bet.


Welcome to the party pal...:rolleyes:


I'm not asking for sympathy and I certainly wont cry you a river. I just want people to know what is going on behind the scenes in the FAA right now. People think controllers have it so easy with good pay, good benefits, etc. But there is a whole other side to the equation that I only hinted at above. I just want people to knows whats up.

The media doesnt seem to care, I believe they have all been contacted with most of the things I shared.

Dont get me wrong, I have fought for you pilots over the years, writing letters to congressman and your airline top brass stating how f-d up the airline industry is, and how poorly you are treated. Never got a response. I always do my best to accomodate pilots into and out of NY, to the best of my ability. I'll do whatever I can to shorten up your flight, ensure you are vectored away from weather, and take care of any special requests you may have. These new working conditions wont change that.

So before you tell me to cry a river, or suck it up like the rest of you are, understand that I am on your side both on the frequency and off, and my only intention and goal right now is to ensure that the flying public and professionals know what their government is doing to the ATC system.
 
340drvr said:
Got an official link to FAA where anyone can voice their concerns?


i believe the FAA has a safety hotline as well as the NTSB and also DOT IG. from what i understand none of them seem to care either.
 
I do not understand how they can justify any of this. The ATC controllers are probably the best gov. agency we have. You guys are great.
 
The emphasis of "safety" is just a pc keyword for the public. I think it's pretty obvious that safety is not the top priority.
In light of the LEX accident, I'm really surprised that something like this can still be happening. Best of luck to you on your contract. I'll write to the faa about this although I agree with you that I don't believe it will do anything.

As far as those not sympathetic to your situation, I think that's how the public views us when we go picketing, yet we go anyway.
 
atcloser said:
I'm not asking for sympathy and I certainly wont cry you a river. I just want people to know what is going on behind the scenes in the FAA right now. People think controllers have it so easy with good pay, good benefits, etc. But there is a whole other side to the equation that I only hinted at above. I just want people to knows whats up.

The media doesnt seem to care, I believe they have all been contacted with most of the things I shared.

Dont get me wrong, I have fought for you pilots over the years, writing letters to congressman and your airline top brass stating how f-d up the airline industry is, and how poorly you are treated. Never got a response. I always do my best to accomodate pilots into and out of NY, to the best of my ability. I'll do whatever I can to shorten up your flight, ensure you are vectored away from weather, and take care of any special requests you may have. These new working conditions wont change that.

So before you tell me to cry a river, or suck it up like the rest of you are, understand that I am on your side both on the frequency and off, and my only intention and goal right now is to ensure that the flying public and professionals know what their government is doing to the ATC system.



atcloser -

I appreciate hearing the latest from your side of the mic. This web board is notoriously immature, and I wouldn't take too many of the posts seriously. It's too bad, too, because the information you disclosed might make a difference if we all put our minds to finding a solution.

I hate to see anyone in this once respected field mistreated, and it certainly sounds like you guys are being managed by people with knee-jerk reactions. Sad.

I hope you hang in there because NY needs controllers like you. Also, things are cyclical, so let's hope the cycle starts up for all of us. I want the 1990's back!
 
Ya know. I doubt the local pipefitters union would put up with any of the crap we all have for the last 5 years. They'd politely meet some members of the board in a dark parking lot wearing ski masks and "suggest" that the board do right by the employees.
 
Thank you for your compliments on our abilities. I must say that air traffic controllers are a very dedicated group. We love our jobs, the actual processes of doing our jobs at least. We hate our employer and the politics though. Once you start vectoring aircraft around it gets in your blood and you cant get it out. That being said, controllers are here for you guys, the customers.

I think the best thing that all you can do is just spread the word around among your colleagues. When you are sitting there slowed back to 210 knots at 15000 and have nothing to do, talk up about what you read here. I promise I wont get upset at you for not responding to a control instruction!

Eventually enough people will know about the inner workings at the FAA and it will bite them in the butt.

Thanks again for your support, and for providing the safest aviation system in the world.
 

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