ATA pilots to be hit with 1113E

[Pickle]

This just in....

The ATA MEC says they have been notified by management of their intention to go see the judge tomorrow to file an 1113E.

 

[On Your Six]

This just in....

The ATA MEC says they have been notified by management of their intention to go see the judge tomorrow to file an 1113E.

Can you explain what a 1113E is for the unfamiliar...

 

[densoo]

Can you explain what a 1113E is for the unfamiliar...

From the USAIR playbook...

"US Airways must understand and seriously address our members’ needs if this airline is to survive.The 1113(c) and 1114 hearings on US Airways motion to abrogate the labor agreements are scheduled to continue through December 17, 2004 and will be followed by a decision by Judge Mitchell. Therefore, it is our understanding that consensual agreements must be in place by December 16, 2004. Failing that, the judge may rule to abrogate the labor contracts on December 17, 2004."

http://www.iamdl142.org/us12_2_04.htm

 

[apache]

The toilet is about to flush. Ordinarily, if this happened at any other company, the flight crews would shut the place down. There are enough company men that will take and keep on taking and will fly no matter how low the pay goes. Some are even on the MEC.

 

[Pickle]

The 1113E is for temporary relief from parts of the contract, but they can be extended.

apache said: "There are enough company men that will take and keep on taking and will fly no matter how low the pay goes. Some are even on the MEC."

You hit that nail on the head.

 

[rundu]

Sorry to hear it guys....but after the way they FCUKED Chicago Express, did you really think you'd be safe over there?

I say let'em shut the whole POS down!

 

[HalinTexas]

The toilet is about to flush. Ordinarily, if this happened at any other company, the flight crews would shut the place down. There are enough company men that will take and keep on taking and will fly no matter how low the pay goes. Some are even on the MEC.

Contradictory. The Co. would not file an 1113e if they thought they could negotiate something that the "company men" would approve. By doing so, they bypass the negotiating process. They must feel that negotiating is futile. They have not even asked or scheduled any negotiations.

 

[Pickle]

Hal raises a good point. There have been NO talks between the company and the union about more/new or extended concessions.

 

[apache]

Point well taken Hal, but negotiations or not, the Company knows that there are those that will certainly NOT engage in the most extreme forms of expressing displeasure with the plan. And the present MEC may fire up the bullsh..../dream machine to sell anything the Company wants. All they need is a few good men to keep their schedule going. After all, can't a skeleton crew keep the schedule running enough to keep your LUVly friends objectives fulfilled?

Not my fight anymore but I see the former MEC Chairman whose name rhymes with eel making a comeback to provide "Leadership with an eye for better cooperation with the Company to become long-term partners" I believe that he shares many of the same characteristics of an eel as well.

 

[PBI27]

So, how are things over at ATA these days? Furloughs? Code share? Internal union fighting? Corrupt management?


Ahhh, memories...

 

[Boeingman]

Is SWA management calling the shots over there?

 

[Pickle]

Is SWA management calling the shots over there?

Depends on who you ask. I feel that, if they are not directly calling the shots, then they have some sort of input. Why else would we pull out of everywhere that the two systems overlapped, with of course the subsequent rise in SWAs fares on those routes??

 

[jetdawg]

I am sure glad that you guys did not go with Airtran because like the vocal ATA guys said that would be the end of ATA. Bring in SW the savior they want us to survive.

 

[HalinTexas]

I am sure glad that you guys did not go with Airtran because like the vocal ATA guys said that would be the end of ATA. Bring in SW the savior they want us to survive.

I would have been out of work by now had Airtran succeeded in it's purchase, or at the most a newhire somewhere else.

Now, had AWA succeeded in their efforts, who knows? I could still be a captain, or it could have brought the two crumbling down. I would have liked to have gambled on the "Cactus" prickly-pairs vs. the LUV I'm feeling right now.

As a reminder, John Denison, formerly of Chrysler and SWA and hired Gary K., was asked by Herb K. to come over to ATA and reorganize us. He was well received initially, but I'm sure he doesn't stay at the crew hotel in IND anymore.

We'll see how this shakes out, but it could get very ugly.

 

[roughneck]

Because you were getting your butts kicked on those routes? Just an idea. Obviously our number one goal is to make money for our company. We are going to do what ever it takes to remain prosperous.

If we can accomplish that along with ATA becoming profitable, even better. We decided to "help" ATA because it was the only way we could get the gates we wanted at MDW. (again, our number one priority is our bottom line.)

 

[Pickle]

I think both airlines were getting their butts kicked on those routes by competing head to head. Now, with the codeshare, SWA can have ATA focus on the cities they don't want, MSP, LGA, BOS, EWR and they can move us out of the routes (SEA, LAX, FLL, TPA/PIE) where we were competing.

I also know that SWA's number one priority is to make money for themselves. That is what scares me. We have become a means to an end for SWA, and if that end is a good one for all of us then GREAT!!!! If it means that along the way someone has to be sacrificed, well, we all know who that will be.

 

[Boeingman]

When SWA bought Morris, did they do the same things that they are doing now to ATA? No flames, I just don't know much about that situation.

I only bring it up because it may be an indicator of the future for ATA.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Rundo, Rundu ...whoever you are.

What the F is your problem. I quote " Let'em shut the whole pos down ". I think I would like to keep my job for a little while, thank you. So take a shower, wash the t#%$ds out of your head and have a clue the next time you decide to post.

 

[Skater]

The company has to go through a period of good faith negotiations before they can ask a judge to abrogate the contracts. This is the case at United. Failing ratifications of an agreement, then the judge can step in and set the contracts in the best interests of the creditors/share holders. They can submit the 1113e to the judge, but they still have to negotiate with the pilots. Don't panic yet.

 

[ivauir]

When SWA bought Morris, did they do the same things that they are doing now to ATA? No flames, I just don't know much about that situation.

I only bring it up because it may be an indicator of the future for ATA.

No, we just bought them outright. I doubt anyone really knows how the ATA deal will play out. This realy is a different ball of wax. You could argue that Morris was designed to be bought by SWA from the start, same airplane, right route structure, etc. With the ATA deal we've mapped out a great plan if ATA fails, but if they make it I wouldn't be surprized if they rethink the "we'll just sell our stock and be done" plan. To me the possibilities are interesting, but who the heck knows? I'm sorry things are turning sour down there at ATA. I was hopping we'd end up with some kind of complementry route/fleet structure; ie ATA going to all 757 and we feed them for long haul.

I really hope things turn around for you guys.