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NCherches

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Sure its not the sexiest plane on the ramp but does anyone know much about the Astra SPX (not the G150).

Can it truely do Hawaii safely most if not all the time
Maintenance reliability?
Passenger Comfort
Operating Costs?
Fuel Burn?
Pilot Comfort
What's its normal Mach cruise speed?

Anything else you might have to add
 

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Silver boots are cool.

Sitting in a school bus for five hours going to HNL is not.
 

Grey Ghost

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I don't know if there is enough headroom for spiky hair in the astra????
 

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Do Hawaii "safely"...?

Whats your favorite hotel chain in Hawaii?

Is there FBOHotties there?
 

Grey Ghost

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OK, So... I don't know, can it "Truely" do it???:bomb: Like, for sure!!!!!
 

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Any other lame posts before we can actually get to some answers...

Grey Ghost, going through your previous posts not one of them is not sarcastic, stupid or simply on topic whats your problem? Small penis syndrome?
 
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Lead Sled

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Sure its not the sexiest plane on the ramp but does anyone know much about the Astra SPX (not the G150).

Can it truely do Hawaii safely most if not all the time
Maintenance reliability?
Passenger Comfort
Operating Costs?
Fuel Burn?
Pilot Comfort
What's its normal Mach cruise speed?

Anything else you might have to add
I haven't been on for a while and I just read this post. When I get back to the house this afternoon I'll sit down and take a whack at your questions. I've got 4000+ hours of astra time including 2000 or so hours in the SPX/G100. Bottom line is it will work for you and you'll like flying it.

Later,

LS
 

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The Astra grows on you. The wing is actually one of the best looking in the fleet IMO. It's a great plane to fly as well. Very low workload.
 

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Any other lame posts before we can actually get to some answers...

Grey Ghost, going through your previous posts not one of them is not sarcastic, stupid or simply on topic whats your problem? Small penis syndrome?
Nice use of a double negative!!! "not one of them is not sarcastic" Where did you go to school??? You're the one with the childish website! Do you really think anyone is going to buy shirts and hats from your pathetic website?

P.S. With your lame posts using words such as "like, ok, for sure, and totally!" you really belong on myspace!!! Go back to the minor leagues son! :smash:
 

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Awe the jealousy... Ps, that childish website payed my mortgage last month.
 

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I'm back now, so I'll try give you my take on your questions.

Can it truly do Hawaii safely most if not all the time?
Yes, but...
Like a lot of airplanes you've got to watch your winds. If you’re thinking about flying a G100/SPX over water there are a couple of things you need to consider - make sure you've got the long-range O2 system (two bottles) installed or you'll be carrying some portable bottles in the cabin. The airplane will fly further on one engine than on two, so the only real concern is the amount of O2 that you have on board - without the twin bottles (or some portable bottles in the cabin) you could have some wet foot print issues to deal with. Also, the rafts and survival gear go into the cabin so you’re going to have to remove a seat or two to make room for them. Finally, to keep things within the loading envelope you will be pretty much limited to 5 or 6 total passenger seats with full fuel - depending on your particular airplane. The airplane comes with a removable extension tank takes up about 1/3 of the baggage compartment, but with some creative packing you can make it work out. For domestic flying I never use the extension tank, so baggage is seldom an issue.

Maintenance reliability?
The company I flew for owned several of them. We averaged about 700 hours per year per airplane. They were practically bullet-proof. When the airplane first came out it had some teething problems - mostly with the hydraulic and slat-flap systems; but those issues are long since resolved. The hydraulic issues went away with the installation of improved couplers and the slat-flap issues were due to improper maintenance practices. As with a lot of things, timely and proper maintenance resolves a lot of issues. Anyone having slat-flap issues in an Astra needs to have a heart to heart talk with their maintenance people.

Passenger comfort?
There's the old joke that says that the only problem with the Astra is that it has 6 hours worth of fuel and 4 hours worth of cabin. All in all, the SPX/G100 is a great compromise when it comes to real world flying. The Astras definitely don't have the biggest cabin, but it's big enough most of the time. Also, it has an honest to goodness lav with a sink and flushing potty which the passengers will approciate on those long legs. However, if your only flying is going to be to Hawaii then you'd probably he happier with something bigger, but for the occassional trip to Hawaii or Europe it's going to be tough for any other mid-size jet to touch it.

Operating costs?
You do the math... Normal cruise, it will burn 2000 lbs the first hour and around 1400 to 1500 pounds every hour after that. That will get you 460 KTAS to 470 KTAS at FL410 to FL430. It will climb straight to 410/430 on all but the warmest of days and 450 is a usable altitude. There are no real maintenance "gotch ya's" and most inspections are based on flight hours, not the calendar. MSP and Collins CASP will adequately protect you against most budgetary "surprises". In other words, you'll have a tough time finding any other light to midsize jet that will have lower cost per mile numbers.

Pilot comfort?
They're not the quietest airplane out there so close the cabin door entrance curtain and get yourself a comfortable headset and you'll be OK with it.

What is the normal cruise speed?
.76 mach for oceanic and long-range cruise. Normal cruise is .82 to .85 depending on weight, temp, altitude, etc. The biggest problem that guys have in getting the range or speed out of the airplane is that they don't bother to read the AFM. If you want book performance you have to fly it by the book. FWIW, I've yet to fly an Astra yet that wouldn't do at least 1% or 2% better than what the AFM said it would do.

As far as other items...
Max gross takeoff weight is 24,650 for all of the Astras/G100s. The BOW for most SPXs and G100s are in the 14,500 to 15,000 range. All of the airplanes carry roughly 8700 pounds of fuel with standard fuel. They all have a removable “extension” tank that takes up 1/3 of the baggage compartment. With this tank installed the fuel capacity is roughly 9400 pounds.

You've got to watch the C.G. - they tend to go out the forward end of the envelope (even with the APU installed) when you top off the tanks and put more than 5 (sometimes 6) passengers in them.

The APU is installed on a Duncan Aviation STC. Most of the newer G100s have them. Many SPXs also have them. Fueling in via Single point, but they have over the wing capability (actually over the fuselage.) Ground cooling is provided via bleed air either from an engine or from an APU depending upon the particular airplane. All of the airplanes have external lav servicing.

As far as flying them is concerned, they've got straight forward systems - there aren't too many "gotchas". They're easy to get good landings with - if you watch your speed on final. They handle crosswinds well, but (for boosted ailerons) they're a bit heavy in roll and "typical jet" in pitch. They do OK for a swept wing airplane - if you're careful, you can operate them out of 4,000' runways, but don't plan on going very far. 5,000' is, of course, better and 6,000'+ runways won't offer you too many restrictions even on the hottest of days.

As far as the "boots vs. heated leading edges" go, you need to remember that heated leading edges are considered anti-icing devices and pneumatic leading edge boots are considered deicing devices. There is a big difference between the two concepts.

The problem with heated leading edge anti-ice systems is that they need heat and lots of it. The heat typically comes from an engine bleed air source. Anytime you take that much heat from an engine you also take away a significant amount of power.

For anti-ice systems to be effective you must turn them on prior to entering icing conditions, otherwise they will just melt the ice and the water will flow back to places that are protected and refreeze - not a good thing. Also, chunks of ice can come off and go through the engines (B727, DC9, MD-80, Lear, Citation, etc. Anything with rear mounted engines.)

On the Lears and Falcons that I've flown, turning on the wing heat had a significant effect on the climb capability of the aircraft. The Astras and G100 have the "old fashioned" boots on the leading edges. When I first trained in the aircraft, I was very sceptical - boots on a modern jet airplane, you've got to be kidding? In the real world, they're actually pretty nice. You only use them when you need them, and they don't extract a performance penality when you do. I've got 4,000+ hours in Astras and G100s and they work extremely well, I think. I say that because I can count on one hand the actual number of times that I've ever had to use them in self defense, all of the other times were for entertainment purposes only. The wing just isn't a real ice collector.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

LS
 
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Awe the jealousy... Ps, that childish website payed my mortgage last month.
sure it did.

Oh, whats everyones favorite color?

Mines blue, dude.

On topic - I could never rec'd any IAI product to anyone. They are mx nightmares. Look at the prices, they cant give them away....there's a reason....been through em all...Westwinds, Astras, Galaxy...all crap and never had an owner satisfied with any of them...although I do hear G200's have improved dramatically, I was in an early one.

I do agree with LS on the boots - they are great, I
wish underpowered Falcons (50s/900s) had boots.

Good Luck.
 
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...On topic - I could never rec'd any IAI product to anyone. They are mx nightmares. Look at the prices, they cant give them away....there's a reason....been through em all...Westwinds, Astras, Galaxy...all crap and never had an owner satisfied with any of them...although I do hear G200's have improved dramatically, I was in an early one.

I do agree with LS on the boots - they are great, I
wish underpowered Falcons (50s/900s) had boots.

Good Luck.
We'll have to agree to disagree, at least as far as the SPX/G100 is concerned. (The Galaxy/G200 is another thread. I was the tenth person on the planet to get typed in the Galaxy and the early ones were indeed maintenance nightmares.) The Astras/G100 are good airplanes and a lot of bang for the buck. Gulfstream is doing a good job supporting them - now.

LS
 

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I never regarded the SPX that I used to fly as being a Mx hog at all. It flew very little and we always had a reliable a/c. One or two nuisance issues, but nothing that ever caused a cancellation. As little as it flew we always got in it and just went with no problems. I fly the G-200 now (later serial #s) and they have been giving us some trouble over the last few months, but I wouldn't yet call it junk. The year ain't over yet, though......

I think for the price and operating costs the SPX is a decent airplane to own. It is a 4 hour cabin, though. Tops.
 

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Good post, Lead Sled. I only have 15 hrs in the SPX. It's true though, everyone is a jet deice boot skeptic....until they fly one.
 

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Instead of wasting my time and other's, why don't you send me a private message or better yet grow up? Anyone can be a big man in a public online forum.

Thanks for those who are helping to answer the question. Will the Astra do Hawaii without a wet footprint?
 

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