Assignment of PIC / SIC

[falcondriver]

If 135 the TCA will state what your specific company requirements are( all revolves around the POI). It usually states if you will be checked in both seats or not. The 8410 states what is required for SIC or PIC. Like someone else said, the PIC check will check off the SIC boxes. These requirments are all decided by the POI and the company.
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[GREAT LAKES]

if your in a jet on a 135 that requires 2 pilots its going to be assumed that their are PIC duties and SIC Duties both seperate. One doesnt cover the other. In order for a PIC to sit as SIC he or she has to demonstrate those duties in training (thats why all these sim training places have that). 121 of course covers this more thourough but a sharp FAA guy in 135 would hold the company to it. Most dont.

Nite Flyer, You are incorrect. It's not about "duties" it's about a job aid published in the FAA's 8900 for checking. Yes a PIC check does cover the SIC check if noted on the 8410. A PIC check covers all the items on the SIC job aid plus more. As far as training goes, yes the PIC applicant will demonstrate SIC duties while sitting in the right seat during the training events. It is possible for an applicant to complete training from the "Left Seat" only. In this situation the Training Provider will have a instructor or contract pilot occupy the right seat. This happens regularly in the 135 world, which is probably different than the 121 world.

 

[727Niteflyer]

Nite Flyer, You are incorrect. It's not about "duties" it's about a job aid published in the FAA's 8900 for checking. Yes a PIC check does cover the SIC check if noted on the 8410. A PIC check covers all the items on the SIC job aid plus more. As far as training goes, yes the PIC applicant will demonstrate SIC duties while sitting in the right seat during the training events. It is possible for an applicant to complete training from the "Left Seat" only. In this situation the Training Provider will have a instructor or contract pilot occupy the right seat. This happens regularly in the 135 world, which is probably different than the 121 world.

I know it happens all the time in the 135 world. But its not correct.

Lets simplify this. Look at a takeoff event in a 2 man cockpit. Capt is going to have different duties than a First Officer (not talking about PM or PNM Im talking about gaurding the throttles, holding the tiller, yoke into the wind stuff). Thats why the PIC has to demonstrate profiency in the right seat, doing seat specific tasks.

Only down to the letter of the law. This is just something that is not really addressed or enforced in the 135 world.

 

[mavrck]

We must have the same POI. Even in a King Air, which is certified as single pilot, our POI makes the PIC fly also from the right seat to qualify as SIC.

If he only does left seat, he is only authorized PIC. A king air 135 doesnt even need the SIC if the PIC has a autopilot checkride. Funny to think that this guy is a qualified 135 pic flying single pilot and cant even ride with another PIC and act as an SIC.

Things that make ya say hmmmmm.

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

In terms of FAR's...Part 135, 121, 125, and 91K specify that there will be a PIC for each flight. Even though both pilots (A/C requiring PIC/SIC) might be typed, one has to be the "official fall guy" on paper. If you are typed, you will qualify for SIC duties in that A/C....No type, then you'll most likely get a specific SIC checkout for an A/C requiring 2 pilots....good luck.

 

[727Niteflyer]

In terms of FAR's...Part 135, 121, 125, and 91K specify that there will be a PIC for each flight. Even though both pilots (A/C requiring PIC/SIC) might be typed, one has to be the "official fall guy" on paper. If you are typed, you will qualify for SIC duties in that A/C....No type, then you'll most likely get a specific SIC checkout for an A/C requiring 2 pilots....good luck.

thats notwhat this thread is about

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

Yeah, Thanks, I re-read it.