ASAs New 4000 Call Signs

[Jmoney]

French

The French are purely responsible for this crap. These fools run the ICAO and their only purpose in the world is to cause trouble for those nations who do not suck as much as they do.

These retards agree to make English the universal language of aviation and then half the METAR abbreviations are for French words.

That nation still can't get over the fact that they are unseless to everyone, everywhere.

 

[10nCLR]

Very good points. We don't like the new 4 digits either...

Pilots pay attention to you flight plan. Frequently the dispatcher will file you with a letter at then end, and not tell you.

False, ATC does that.

 

[10nCLR]

False, ATC does that.

clarification, dispatchers actually file it but it's always the same flts that are in the scheduled service. They don't just radomly file a fllt with any letter behind it.

 

[atl pilot]

Actually ATC does NOT add the "A." I have no knowldge that the inbound is late or still active. That's your comapny's doing.
Now having said that, I have on occassion had one ot two that the company missed where two aircraft have the exact same number on the same freq....when that happens I generally say "inbound ASQ381, cross rwy 26L..." And for the other I say "Outbound ASQ381, Taxi into position & hold." ALthough the 7110.65 says just to exchange info about similiar (not idential) call signs...I have also on occassion verbally assigned one of them the "A" (usually the inbound b/c they're almost done with that flight segment), but only with an explanation, and then I do not change the strip, I just tell the GC sitting next to me.

 

[10nCLR]

Actually ATC does NOT add the "A." I have no knowldge that the inbound is late or still active. That's your comapny's doing.
Now having said that, I have on occassion had one ot two that the company missed where two aircraft have the exact same number on the same freq....when that happens I generally say "inbound ASQ381, cross rwy 26L..." And for the other I say "Outbound ASQ381, Taxi into position & hold." ALthough the 7110.65 says just to exchange info about similiar (not idential) call signs...I have also on occassion verbally assigned one of them the "A" (usually the inbound b/c they're almost done with that flight segment), but only with an explanation, and then I do not change the strip, I just tell the GC sitting next to me.

Gotchya, but in SLC they use the call sign SKW72S for flt 3872 or SKW3841 would become SKW41A, etc. When the Delta schedule changes, a system is used at the other company to reassign duplicate flt numbers with a letter. This is all done in advance so SKW4004 would become SKW04B until Delta changes the flt numbers and schedules again, etc. So now the software knows it, dispatch files it, ATC recieves it and we all use it except for the customer/reservations and the gate agents. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that is how it's done in SLC with SKW.

 

[atl pilot]

Frequently here in ATL on Clearance Delivery, I will have a SKW ask for his/her clearance with the 4-character calls ign (i.e. SKW4001). The first thing I do when I dont see that # in the bay is ask where they're going and look for some shortened version (i.e. Like a SKW40B) going the same place. I then usually say "I don't have a SKW4001, but I do have a SKW40B going to XXX, could that be you?" We work it out on CD, which is the point I was trying to make at the start of this thread.....if you have an "A" now appended to the end of your call sign (one that already had a 4-character number), check with clearance delivery (this is the BEST time) and verify what call exists on your flight progress strip....then use that call sign for the entire flight segment when it comes to ATC communications.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Frequently here in ATL on Clearance Delivery, I will have a SKW ask for his/her clearance with the 4-character calls ign (i.e. SKW4001). The first thing I do when I dont see that # in the bay is ask where they're going and look for some shortened version (i.e. Like a SKW40B) going the same place. I then usually say "I don't have a SKW4001, but I do have a SKW40B going to XXX, could that be you?" We work it out on CD, which is the point I was trying to make at the start of this thread.....if you have an "A" now appended to the end of your call sign (one that already had a 4-character number), check with clearance delivery (this is the BEST time) and verify what call exists on your flight progress strip....then use that call sign for the entire flight segment when it comes to ATC communications.

There is a note in the remarks on SkyWest dispatch releases that states:

PLS DOUBLE CHECK YOUR FILED ATC FLT NUMBER AS IT MAY DIFFER FROM THE RELEASE FLT NUMBER. PLS USE FILED ATC FLT NUMBER FOR COMMUNICATION WITH ATC ONLY.

PLS USE THE RELEASE FLT NUMBER FOR FMS/RES/AFIS-ACARS/RAMP CONTROL.

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Unfortunately, not everyone looks at their filed ATC strip on their release prior to contacting clearance delivery.

 

[10nCLR]

There is a note in the remarks on SkyWest dispatch releases that states:

PLS DOUBLE CHECK YOUR FILED ATC FLT NUMBER AS IT MAY DIFFER FROM THE RELEASE FLT NUMBER. PLS USE FILED ATC FLT NUMBER FOR COMMUNICATION WITH ATC ONLY. ​

PLS USE THE RELEASE FLT NUMBER FOR FMS/RES/AFIS-ACARS/RAMP CONTROL. ​

Unfortunately, not everyone looks at their filed ATC strip on their release prior to contacting clearance delivery.

WORD!!
Oh, YEAAAH!!!

 

[McNugget]

ICAO..... Can suck it long!

Whenever in Canada, I like to reply to their, "Line up and wait." with "Take it out and hold it."

HAHAHAHAHA thank u for that