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[jeroom]

Report has a point !

Why would you want to work for ASA, Comair, or any regional airline when Netjets is hiring 450 more pilots this year.
Im on year five making 106K base pay ( not counting holiday or overtime).
Free family medical, great 401K, short term, long term, and loss of Med ins. and I only work 14.5 days a month.
Just a heads up.

Good point, I would love to go work for netjets. But I don't think that they will ever consider me without any jet time and only 414 time flying corporate.

 

[Texx]

If and when we take a stirke vote, this only authorizes the MEC that when and if the time comes (which is still a long way off) then they will have the ability to open the strike center and pass out the picket signs.

Fly Safe...

Have you participated in a strike before?

March is just around the corner. The Mediator has set a deadline for the process.

Our people are ready to hang the "open for business" sign.

And the picket signs don't come out when the strike center is opened, they come out when and if we go on strike.

 

["GO AROUND"]

You guys need to talk to a P2P and get the info from Bob and Tom's meeting with Jerry and Brian. Very insightful meeting that cleared a lot of stuff up about Jerry and his managment style. Let's just say Jerry has a night and day better style than anyone at ASA. He knows how to run a profitable company and treat his employee's right. Seems he really had very little idea how things are at ASA. Bob and Tom gave him the pilots side of the story and he was receptive. A lot was said about the past and how to move forward. I am finally looking forward to some progress at the next sessions.

 

[Copydat]

ifly4food,

You amaze me. From your post it seems that you are an indentured servant. My first observation would be that you either can not imagine going into another career field or you secretly like it at ASA but want to project another image. If your attitude is truly so poor please try to find a place to work that fits your abilities and attitude. I believe you will live much longer if you relieve the stress.

Secondly, have you not observed the industry around yourself? Our (ASA) negotiators have done us a service by keeping us in negotiations while most other airlines in our position have taken a beating on their contracts. There are no "leap forwards" going on right now. Luckily, our contract is still middle of the road after all these years. Why rush into a solution that gives us a worse contract. Sit back, chill out, and wait for the industry to stabalize.

I suppose there are many areas of our contract that need attention. Attention sorely needed for those guys stuck on reserve. However, I am not sure that a rush to settle the contract will get us the best end result. Question, if you knew you were going to get less in the new contract would you still demand a settlement? Question, have you figured up what kind of raise you would need to offset a thirty day strike? Question, have you submitted applications to other airlines that suit you better?

Last month I was sitting by a fellow pilot in the lounge (a reserve captain) and he was ranting about how Skywest should see the light and join us in ALPA. Later in the conversation he stated that he was waiting on an interview with Southwest. This conversation seemed to reinforce my belief that most of the vocal complainers do not think their arguments through. On one hand the pilot was stating that a pilot force not represented by ALPA is commiting suicide and yet his dream was to go to a non union airline. In your instance you seem to hate ASA yet you stay. Why is that?

 

[SiuDude]

Southwest pilots are unionized.

 

[Copydat]

I should have said non ALPA. You are right they do have representation just like Skywest has representation.

 

[ASApuppy]

Negative!!! Southwest has a bone-fide union, they are just not a member of ALPA. Skywest has nothing. No Contract, no representation, no ability to protest employment action. The fact that they get to vote on pay issues is merely a gesture by management to keep them happy. The people that are suppose to "represent the pilots" are more in bed with management than the pilots. Just look who is paying them to say things. It certainly isn't the pilots.

 

[ohplease!]

Negative!!! Southwest has a bone-fide union, they are just not a member of ALPA. Skywest has nothing. No Contract, no representation, no ability to protest employment action. The fact that they get to vote on pay issues is merely a gesture by management to keep them happy. The people that are suppose to "represent the pilots" are more in bed with management than the pilots. Just look who is paying them to say things. It certainly isn't the pilots.

and yet look how much happier they are than ASA pilots (supposedly) are and how much better paid they are (w2 v. w2).

 

["GO AROUND"]

To all the SKW guys.

Our MEC chairman and Vice chairman caught Jerry A. off guard when they brought up the 70 seat rate that he was supposed to renegotiate and hasn't yet when they met with him the other day.

His answer was that the SKW pilots wanted to be the highest paid 50 seat RJ pilots and they are. And if they want to spread a little of that 50 seat money over to the 70 then he would talk about that.

Oh Please, most at SKW are not as happy as they used to be.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

no news is good news

To all the SKW guys.

Our MEC chairman and Vice chairman caught Jerry A. off guard when they brought up the 70 seat rate that he was supposed to renegotiate and hasn't yet when they met with him the other day.

His answer was that the SKW pilots wanted to be the highest paid 50 seat RJ pilots and they are. And if they want to spread a little of that 50 seat money over to the 70 then he would talk about that.

Oh Please, most at SKW are not as happy as they used to be.

That is news to us that Jerry A. is interested in the 70 rate. It seems the culture at OO is Jerry A. gives X amount to the Pilot fund and its up to Brad H. to negoitate with the pilots.

The 1.2% in the initial (weak, ace, trailer park) offer is now off the table, most likely due to egomania. Our quality of Life according to management is the best out there. The only thing we have heard that is in the works is some reserve work rules.

Meanwhile we are forced into PBS preferred bidding system, that violates seniority and will make QOL worse than it was. When you go from holding locals and 2 day trips with 3 to 4 days off a week VS. 4days with a local on the 5th day and 2 days off, something is wrong.

Its great to be on the SAW getting Whipped between ATL and SGU.

It should be a goal of both groups to bite the bullet and merge our lists in 2006........................

 

[sweptback]

It should be a goal of both groups to bite the bullet and merge our lists in 2006........................

From what I heard, Atkin has no opposition to that. Whether or not it will happen I don't know, but I know it is a priority of our union (after the contract is finished).

 

[ifly4food]

ifly4food,

You amaze me. From your post it seems that you are an indentured servant. My first observation would be that you either can not imagine going into another career field or you secretly like it at ASA but want to project another image. If your attitude is truly so poor please try to find a place to work that fits your abilities and attitude. I believe you will live much longer if you relieve the stress.

Secondly, have you not observed the industry around yourself? Our (ASA) negotiators have done us a service by keeping us in negotiations while most other airlines in our position have taken a beating on their contracts. There are no "leap forwards" going on right now. Luckily, our contract is still middle of the road after all these years. Why rush into a solution that gives us a worse contract. Sit back, chill out, and wait for the industry to stabalize.

I suppose there are many areas of our contract that need attention. Attention sorely needed for those guys stuck on reserve. However, I am not sure that a rush to settle the contract will get us the best end result. Question, if you knew you were going to get less in the new contract would you still demand a settlement? Question, have you figured up what kind of raise you would need to offset a thirty day strike? Question, have you submitted applications to other airlines that suit you better?

Last month I was sitting by a fellow pilot in the lounge (a reserve captain) and he was ranting about how Skywest should see the light and join us in ALPA. Later in the conversation he stated that he was waiting on an interview with Southwest. This conversation seemed to reinforce my belief that most of the vocal complainers do not think their arguments through. On one hand the pilot was stating that a pilot force not represented by ALPA is commiting suicide and yet his dream was to go to a non union airline. In your instance you seem to hate ASA yet you stay. Why is that?

Hmmm. I don't even know how to address your remarks except to say that if you truly are a line pilot (not in management) you are in a slim minority of our pilots by not wanting to strike and (seemingly) desiring to settle.

I have no desire to leave ASA except maybe by the death of ASA. Maybe that's why I care so much... I want to see this place get better. If it doesn't get better, so be it, I'll go do something else non-aviation related.

 

[HoserASA]

It should be a goal of both groups to bite the bullet and merge our lists in 2006........................

Bob did bring that up at the meeting with Jerry. Jerry stated that it would take 5 years to realize, financially, the benefit of doing that. FWIW.

Hoser