ASA vs. ExpressJet

[PingPong]

If you were offered a class date with ExpressJet and ASA starting on the same day, which one would you take?
Factors:
Time on reserve
Upgrade time
Which is more stable (less chance of getting furloughed)

I am looking for your honest opinion and don't want a bunch of people hatin on each other.

Anyone have info on crashpads in Atlanta (Price and distance from airport)

Thanks a lot to my fellow aviators!

 

[Palerider957]

Go to XJET. (Period).

 

[Flyeys]

If you were offered a class date with ExpressJet and ASA starting on the same day, which one would you take?
Factors:
Time on reserve
Upgrade time
Which is more stable (less chance of getting furloughed)

I am looking for your honest opinion and don't want a bunch of people hatin on each other.

Anyone have info on crashpads in Atlanta (Price and distance from airport)

Thanks a lot to my fellow aviators!

time on reserve at Express is going to be around 3-5 months. My seniority went up 61 numbers this past month and there are 130 people in front of me to get lines. Not long on reserve at all.

Upgrade time varies based on who you talk to. I would be surprised if it were less than two years.

Job security is excellent and the next big year we have is 2007. Until then everything is very stable and even after that it more than likely(99.99%) remains the same.

Had a girl in my newhire class who was dating an ASA pilot and she never said anything bad about the company. He seemed pretty happy there. I would choose express though, everything from the facilities to the people is top notch and I am having the time of my life! Good luck

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I was faced with the same decision. I received a conditional letter of employment from ASA and a week later interviewed with XJT and was offered a class date on the spot, which I took. I wanted the ATL base, but time on reserve is much less at XJT (usually 6 months or so) plus the company for now appears to be growing and quite stable. Stability is something that shouldn't be taken for granted in this business as it can change overnight, but XJT is hiring a lot of pilots so that means more below me on the list anyway. Upgrade times....who knows. Right now junior CA's at XJT have been here for about 4 years, give or take. No one knows what a new hire today's upgrade will be at any company really..its just dependent on too many factors that no one can predict. You'll hear numbers thrown around here and there, but I'd take them with a grain of salt. XJT is a great company and the training is excellent. From what I've heard from friends at ASA the pilot group is great, but management really leaves a lot to be desired. Best of luck in whatever you choose.

 

[Palerider957]

ASA is run by an imcompetant horde, tied to a nearly bankrupt parent. ASA does not value it's employees one bit, and is actively at war with the pilot group.

GO TO XJET, you WILL be happier.

 

[pkjohnsonm]

Very hard decision. Looking at the two companies today I would have to say XJET. Much more growth than ASA. My training experience w/XJET was great, but I have a friend w/ASA who has no complaints about theirs. I would have to say XJET though. Good Luck wherever you decide.

 

[711-24-7]

Here we go again. Just consider yourself lucky to have two different offers at the same time now day and age. Having said that go for what you think that is good for you. Dont ask for people's help on this board to make up your mind and later regret it. GO FOR WHAT YOU THINK THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU.

 

[jrav8tor]

I was faced with the same decision. I received a conditional letter of employment from ASA and a week later interviewed with XJT and was offered a class date on the spot, which I took. I wanted the ATL base, but time on reserve is much less at XJT (usually 6 months or so) plus the company for now appears to be growing and quite stable.

I spent 1 month on reserve with ASA and then got a relief line. A couple classes before me spent 3 months on reserve, so it will vary. The people are great to fly with and the training is top notch. Haven't been here long enough to b1tch about anything really.

There are some good points made here, but you will need to make your decision based on all these factors including QOL, pay, etc. As you know we have been in contract negotiations for a little more than 2.5 years now and with all the changes taken place within the Delta family who knows what will happen. Rumors are flying all over the place.

We are getting a total of 25 a/c this year, receiving 2 per month (3 in august) from last I heard. We have 5 or 6 on property already. Training from what I hear is scheduled through the end of the year, with one class a month, 20 per class. Training info is a couple of months old, but is probably still accurate. Can anyone else verify if this is still the case?



Best of luck with your decision.

 

[shamrock]

Go to XJET. (Period).

(Exclamation point).

 

[capt.snitch]

At the moment XJET looks better. But ask the guys who went to Braniff because they could make Capt quickly. Not long ago Allegheny/USAir was the job to have. Today it seems to be Southwest, Jet Blue and AirTran. Take your best shot and be happy with it. Good luck to you.

 

[COEX-FO]

If you were offered a class date with ExpressJet and ASA starting on the same day, which one would you take?
Factors:
Time on reserve
Upgrade time
Which is more stable (less chance of getting furloughed)

I am looking for your honest opinion and don't want a bunch of people hatin on each other.

Anyone have info on crashpads in Atlanta (Price and distance from airport)

Thanks a lot to my fellow aviators!

Back in August 2000, I was offered a position at XJT (then COEX) and ASA with class dates within 1 week of each other.

I live in Atlanta, I choose XJT. What does that say? If I had to do it all over with the hindsight I now have, I would do exactly the same thing. For me, it was an easy decision. Others may have chosen differently!

 

[Le Pilote]

Go where you'll be happy

DO NOT chase upgrade. DO NOT chase reserve times. Making a decision for going to an airline is completely foolish. That's because those are variables which are completely out of your control. Honestly, everything about an airline is mostly out of your control. But, things that won't quickly change: Crew bases. Corporate culture. Contracts (ASA in negotiations, see how that goes after Comair). Aircraft types. Schedules. Benefits.

You really should be looking to find a company that you will be happy at for the next 3-5 years, regardless of upgrade or reserve. A company with a corporate mindset that coeincides with your own. An aircraft that you would be interested flying for some time (minor consideration). Crew bases that would be easily commutable for where you'd like to live, or a base you wouldn't mind living in. Schedules and a contract which is attractive. Strong benefits.

Who knows where any of us will be in 5 years. We could all be working for the same company after we all merge. Or some companies could have gone out of business. The fact is that you never know WHAT will happen. So go somewhere that you think you can be happy. You'll be there for a while, no point in chasing a seat. I'd rather be on reserve at a decent company than holding a line at a crappy one!

A plus,

Le Pilote

 

[CF34-3B1]

Reserve time at ASA seems to be dropping; FWIW, I recently flew with a 5 month FO who was holding a relief line.

 

[CandlerWun]

I wanted the ATL base, but time on reserve is much less at XJT (usually 6 months or so)

I started training at ASA in August and came on-line in November. I got a relief line for February and a nap (CDO) line for March. So I spent 3 months on reserve.

Josh M.

 

[Captain Overs]

ASA= no contract in sight-flying for Delta

XJT= newly signed contract-flying for Continental

Sounds pretty easy to me.

 

[scotts]

DO NOT chase upgrade. DO NOT chase reserve times. Making a decision for going to an airline is completely foolish. That's because those are variables which are completely out of your control. Honestly, everything about an airline is mostly out of your control. But, things that won't quickly change: Crew bases. Corporate culture. Contracts (ASA in negotiations, see how that goes after Comair). Aircraft types. Schedules. Benefits.

You really should be looking to find a company that you will be happy at for the next 3-5 years, regardless of upgrade or reserve. A company with a corporate mindset that coeincides with your own. An aircraft that you would be interested flying for some time (minor consideration). Crew bases that would be easily commutable for where you'd like to live, or a base you wouldn't mind living in. Schedules and a contract which is attractive. Strong benefits.

Who knows where any of us will be in 5 years. We could all be working for the same company after we all merge. Or some companies could have gone out of business. The fact is that you never know WHAT will happen. So go somewhere that you think you can be happy. You'll be there for a while, no point in chasing a seat. I'd rather be on reserve at a decent company than holding a line at a crappy one!

A plus,

Le Pilote

One of the best posts I've seen re: this subject. EXPECT reserve times and upgrade times to change. A year from now the picture at XJT will look quite different, same goes for ASA. Long term, look for the QOL based on the contract, domiciles, and the parent regardless of reserve and upgrade times.

FWIW...

 

[US Flyer]

1)ASA is in prolonged contract negotiations with no end in sight. (We are probably over a year away still, and there is a good chance we will strike.) If we go on strike and you have been here less than a year (as a probationary new hire) the union cannot protect you, so if you strike you will get fired. Better come up with a really good doctors' note and be sick for that time period. If you cross a picket line as a new hire you will work at ASA for the rest of your career, because no other US airline will hire you.

2)If I had gone to ExpressJet when I had the chance (I came here instead) I would have made captain 2 years earlier and would be close to leaving there by now.

3)Also, its hard to say if the rumors are true, but its all over the news that we may get sold in the next few months. Delta needs money so badly that it is willing to "sell the cows to save the farm".

4)It is true that management is on a mission to make our lives a living hell until negotiations are over. (This part I cannot for the life of my figure out- reverse psychology?) True, getting all of the pilots mad at you slows down negotiations, but also makes a strike that much more likely. 90% of us are willing to strike if needed.

I don't really know that much about the other company, but if i were in your shoes I would have to have a really good reason to come here. Your girlfriend or boyfriend would need to be pretty good in bed to move to ATL and put up with the ASA way of life.

If we get bought out, no guarantee that any of us would have jobs at ASA- we probably would, but who knows.
Just food for thought.

Always better to have two offers than only one! Perhaps you can stagger the class dates so if you don't like the first choice or have problems with something can just go to the next class date.

Good luck!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Does anybody see any problems in the 2007 contract with CAl and XJT?

 

[venr122]

Only problem I could see with XJT is what will happen in '07, and what happens when all the folks with rights to go to CAL make their decision. I think things could slow down quite a bit in the near future. That being said I honestly believe they will be growing in some way, shape or form in the next 2 years, but I have nothing more than a gut feeling to back that up.

You will probably be happy at either place, nice equipment, good people etc. Just pick where you want to live for the next 5 years.

 

[av8tor4239]

ASA has never furloughed.. Coex did in 2001.. I know the circumstances are totaly different for both airlines (coex flowback clause), but that is one thing to consider. ASA did not furlough after 9/11. I was furloughed from Coex, and was hired by ASA and ASA let me keep my recall rights and SR at Coex.. when I was recalled, I turned down the recall..

I was in a very similar position as you.. this is how I made my decision:

I did not base it on the "cyristal ball" I based in on current facts of the day when I made the decision.. Coex was still in negotiations that were going nowhere, I would have had to go back on 1st year pay and probation, and I would have been EWR based initially.. At the time, coex was sending out strike ballots.. I decided to stay at ASA.. Had i taken the recall I would be upgrading to CPTN this year.. But now I am at ASA, Have been on Reserve for 3 years and am stuck on the ATR..

The managment at Coex is not any better than ASA.. they are all crooks. Both airlines are growing and both have a very good niche in the regional market.

Tough call, but my vote would be for ASA!