ASA union looses Continental flying?

[Oakum_Boy]

Remember this- management is ALWAYS lying, and anyone who remotely represents their interests is lying too.

It is unfortunate that SkyWest management was able to dupe you all for so long. I would be embarrassed. It's so embarrassing, not even a caveman would do it.

 

[sweptback]

Do you remember which conference call that was? I'd love to point that out on the SAPA forums.

Sorry, I don't remember the date, but it should be the quarter ending following the loss of the Continental bid. I googled for archives of the conference calls but I couldn't find any.

 

[PinnacleDude]

A familiar song and dance!

In November 2005, Pinnacle Management said we would lose all of our NWA flying if we didn't have an agreement by December 2005. Still flying 139 aircraft for NWA & still holding out until we receive a fair contract.

If you believe that myth about not getting flying because of a contract, I have some prime swampland to sell you!

 

[Texx]

It's fkcuin LOSES NOT LOOSES. If I have to see that one more time . . . .

It's no different than your FO pounding another one in time after time is it...

 

[BigMeat]

Skywest SAPA President came out with an email today saying vote no to a union because it hinders an airline from getting additional flying. He says that ASA was suppose to get 35 plus airplanes to fly for Continental but the contract talks and threat of a strike caused them to go elsewhere. Seems like more scare tactics.

He is so full of crap. We are a union carrier also. Not only that we protect our flying with the scope we have in place (thanks to ALPA). Continental and ASA will do whats best for them if its mutually beneficial. Otherwise unless its signed on paper its only negotiations and shopping for a better deal. SAPA equals asss kissing and begging
ALPA equals negotiations and contracts.

 

[Texx]

I did here that call and it was because of the short term of the deal. If it was such a great deal for ASA to loose why wouldn't Skywest Airlines have picked it up?

 

[Texx]

Its amazing how they talk out of both sides of their mouth.

Medeco

I thought that was talking out both orifices at the same time?

 

[BigMeat]

I did here that call and it was because of the short term of the deal. If it was such a great deal for ASA to loose why wouldn't Skywest Airlines have picked it up?

Excellent Point!

 

[Tomct]

But hey...don't tell any of these skywst kool-aid drinkers that their mgmnt lies to them.....gasp! Perish the THOUGHT!!! Jerry Loves his kids....riiiiiight! So long as you little b@stards continue to pile loads of cash into his pockets...."He Loves YOU!" Man I hope that you guys WAKE UP!!

 

[Axel]

Is this the flying that CHQ won?

If so, we're union .............

What's his point?

The point is FUD. The reverend father, in his weekly sermon to the faithful, announced to the whole company (not just the pilots) that due to the strike vote by the pilots the United codeshare was lost.

"Greedy work group A has screwed over all the other work groups due to their unwillingness to look beyond their own self-interests. Be sure to thank them when you don't get a raise this year"

While the deal mentioned by the thread starter concerns not an existing union's strike vote, but the impending vote on whether to install a union, the principles are identical.

And the RAH EXCO is not the problem. The Local leadership is.

 

[www.]

But hey...don't tell any of these skywst kool-aid drinkers that their mgmnt lies to them.....gasp! Perish the THOUGHT!!! Jerry Loves his kids....riiiiiight! So long as you little b@stards continue to pile loads of cash into his pockets...."He Loves YOU!" Man I hope that you guys WAKE UP!!

No..it's called the "Stockholm Syndrome".

 

[~~~^~~~]

I was listening to a SkyWest, Inc. conference call where it was stated that they did not bid on the Continental flying due to the short 2 year duration. They thought the risks for taking on the flying outweighed the benefits. Nowhere in the call did they mention anything about ASA.

I clearly remember this.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Although this broadcast is not readily available, it is archived and could be found. However, plenty of ASA pilots, as well as Skywest pilots, interested in their Company's financial position, probably listened to this broadcast. Apparently, the SAPA President is not enlightened to his Company's direction, or he has selective memory!

I'm fairly certain that ASA ALPA has the conference call on tape.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

So ASA supposedly loses the LAX flying because of union fears? But wait , who gets the flying? Expressjet, an ALPA carrier who cost more(source- Expressjet MEC member)than ASA would have. Don't buy the lies folks. Some Lame-O's in SAPA are running scared(rightfully so.).

 

[Future Furlough]

Continental Express is unionized, and a strong union at that! Have they gained flying?

I dunno. All the airframes are flying, we have more pilots on property now than 18 months ago, and, oh yeah, I'm still getting my CBA mandated pay raises.

 

[princeton]

Well the Delta flying out of LAX is new for XJT,

 

[www.]

So ASA supposedly loses the LAX flying because of union fears?

The LAX was a temp from the begining by DAL.

Since DAL had filed BK, and LAX Airport was one of the creditors, LAX was putting pressure for DAL to "use them or loose them" on the gates at LAX. With this ASA was the only airline at that time to move quickly to fill the need. BL and JA knew this. That was why there was very little movement to set up a crew lounge and offices there.

At the time ExpressJet had just started pulling aircraft from CAL colors and was not in the position to start up the operation.

Also, Skywest was unable to do this flying because, at the time, they were under a UAL agreement that would not allow it.

 

[jeroom]

He can keep his damn 35 airplanes if he doesn't want to sign a new contract anyway...

 

[thebest]

Skywest SAPA President came out with an email today saying vote no to a union because it hinders an airline from getting additional flying. He says that ASA was suppose to get 35 plus airplanes to fly for Continental but the contract talks and threat of a strike caused them to go elsewhere. Seems like more scare tactics.

Remember, BOTH sides have their scare tactics! (ya, alpo too) Look at the BIG picture. Having a union is getting what you want, job and pension-income protection, when things are BAD! When they are good things are easy. Did the majors get what they wanted? Go talk to some of them....!

 

[BoilerUP]

Remember, BOTH sides have their scare tactics! (ya, alpo too) Look at the BIG picture. Having a union is getting what you want, job and pension-income protection, when things are BAD! When they are good things are easy. Did the majors get what they wanted? Go talk to some of them....!

They negotiated quite a bit better with representation than what they would have been given without it.