ASA union looses Continental flying?

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But hey...don't tell any of these skywst kool-aid drinkers that their mgmnt lies to them.....gasp! Perish the THOUGHT!!! Jerry Loves his kids....riiiiiight! So long as you little b@stards continue to pile loads of cash into his pockets...."He Loves YOU!" Man I hope that you guys WAKE UP!!

No..it's called the "Stockholm Syndrome".

 

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I was listening to a SkyWest, Inc. conference call where it was stated that they did not bid on the Continental flying due to the short 2 year duration. They thought the risks for taking on the flying outweighed the benefits. Nowhere in the call did they mention anything about ASA.

I clearly remember this.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Although this broadcast is not readily available, it is archived and could be found. However, plenty of ASA pilots, as well as Skywest pilots, interested in their Company's financial position, probably listened to this broadcast. Apparently, the SAPA President is not enlightened to his Company's direction, or he has selective memory!

I'm fairly certain that ASA ALPA has the conference call on tape.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

So ASA supposedly loses the LAX flying because of union fears? But wait , who gets the flying? Expressjet, an ALPA carrier who cost more(source- Expressjet MEC member)than ASA would have. Don't buy the lies folks. Some Lame-O's in SAPA are running scared(rightfully so.).

 

[Future Furlough]

Continental Express is unionized, and a strong union at that! Have they gained flying?

I dunno. All the airframes are flying, we have more pilots on property now than 18 months ago, and, oh yeah, I'm still getting my CBA mandated pay raises.

 

[princeton]

Well the Delta flying out of LAX is new for XJT,

 

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So ASA supposedly loses the LAX flying because of union fears?

The LAX was a temp from the begining by DAL.

Since DAL had filed BK, and LAX Airport was one of the creditors, LAX was putting pressure for DAL to "use them or loose them" on the gates at LAX. With this ASA was the only airline at that time to move quickly to fill the need. BL and JA knew this. That was why there was very little movement to set up a crew lounge and offices there.

At the time ExpressJet had just started pulling aircraft from CAL colors and was not in the position to start up the operation.

Also, Skywest was unable to do this flying because, at the time, they were under a UAL agreement that would not allow it.

 

[jeroom]

He can keep his damn 35 airplanes if he doesn't want to sign a new contract anyway...

 

[thebest]

Skywest SAPA President came out with an email today saying vote no to a union because it hinders an airline from getting additional flying. He says that ASA was suppose to get 35 plus airplanes to fly for Continental but the contract talks and threat of a strike caused them to go elsewhere. Seems like more scare tactics.

Remember, BOTH sides have their scare tactics! (ya, alpo too) Look at the BIG picture. Having a union is getting what you want, job and pension-income protection, when things are BAD! When they are good things are easy. Did the majors get what they wanted? Go talk to some of them....!

 

[BoilerUP]

Remember, BOTH sides have their scare tactics! (ya, alpo too) Look at the BIG picture. Having a union is getting what you want, job and pension-income protection, when things are BAD! When they are good things are easy. Did the majors get what they wanted? Go talk to some of them....!

They negotiated quite a bit better with representation than what they would have been given without it.

 

[SkyNation]

I was told that XJET is doing the DAL flying completely at risk because they needed to put the AC somewhere. their hope is that when their 2 year contract comes up that DAL will be pleased with them and re-up.

is this true?

I predict SkyWest will have a larger presence in LAX in late 2008/early 2009 flying for both DAL and UEX with perhaps a larger crew domicile there.

 

[XPOO]

The exclusivity UAL had SkyWest under at LAX has now been lifted. Expect SkyWest to grow a Delta presence in LAX and XJT to slowly be let go.

 

[thebest]

They negotiated quite a bit better with representation than what they would have been given without it.

NOWAY did they get a bit better then what they wanted! WAKE UP, alpo does nothing. THey maid a void for themselves and convinced you they should be there..........

 

[AWACoff]

NOWAY did they get a bit better then what they wanted! WAKE UP, alpo does nothing. THey maid a void for themselves and convinced you they should be there..........

From your post, I can infer that you lack a formal education. ALPA is not an organization that performs tasks. ALPA is an organization that helps you perform tasks. There is no PFM involved. Without participation, a union is meaningless. It takes each individual pilot's voice to create a strong union.

Obviously pilots have not recieved what they want. Typically everybody wants more than what they have. You only get what you negotiate. Some pilot groups have more unity and stronger leadership which enable them to negotiate more favorable contracts. ALPA national doesn't create individual pilot unity. That has to come from within.

 

[JoeMerchant]

From your post, I can infer that you lack a formal education. ALPA is not an organization that performs tasks. ALPA is an organization that helps you perform tasks. There is no PFM involved. Without participation, a union is meaningless. It takes each individual pilot's voice to create a strong union.

Obviously pilots have not recieved what they want. Typically everybody wants more than what they have. You only get what you negotiate. Some pilot groups have more unity and stronger leadership which enable them to negotiate more favorable contracts. ALPA national doesn't create individual pilot unity. That has to come from within.

ALPA would much stronger if there was some "brand scope"..... we shouldn't be bidding against one another..... We need more than "individual pilot unity".... we need to put the "collective" back into the "collective bargaining"..... Until then, most of you will be disappointed...

 

[Speedtape]

ALPA would much stronger if there was some "brand scope"..... we shouldn't be bidding against one another..... We need more than "individual pilot unity".... we need to put the "collective" back into the "collective bargaining"..... Until then, most of you will be disappointed...

Amen!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Amen!

So Speedtape, we finally agree on something..... What are we going to do about it at ASA ALPA? Are we going to continue to pretend that the problem doesn't exist so as to put forth some image of ALPA that doesn't exist? Are we going to return to the ASA and CMR ALPA positions of 1999? Are we going to rock the ALPA boat, or are we going to continue to treat this like a problem that doesn't really exist.....???

 

[BoilerUP]

NOWAY did they get a bit better then what they wanted!

Your reading comprehension is not "thebest".

I never said they got better than what they wanted - only that they got better with representation than they would have gotten without it.

Its better to negotiate than be dictated to...