ASA to Turks & Caicous

[ATR-DRIVR]

Utah?

uh, no. close, Provodenciales.

 

[701EV]

Provo is another name for Providenciales.


701EV

 

[Paul R. Smith]

The flight is always within 50 miles of land so no rafts are required.

What if you need to deviate for a line of weather? Think about it; I'm surprised ALPA hasn't called b.s. on that one.

Why don't you call them then?

 

[Vortilon]

Its pretty unusual to see traditional squall lines in the caribbean...normally fair weather and easy to get around whatever you might encounter. Not to mention you have about 30 places to stop on the way down there should you encounter any problems.

Enjoy the route guys!

 

[180ToTheMarker]

I guess GG was joking when he said RJ flights more than 2 hours is too long.

 

[Medeco]

Yeah

I guess GG was joking when he said RJ flights more than 2 hours is too long.

I was thinking the same when this came out. It no doubt can be changed with very short notice though.

Isnt the 50 mile land limit a hard limit? In other words if we were in that desperate of a need to deviate more than 50 miles would we not be required to declare an emergency? I will go looking for the answer but if someone can quote an FAR then please do.

On another note, ASA announced it will be upgrading some 40 CRJ flights over the coming months to CR7 as we recieve the last nine. Additionally, we will enter a few new markets with the CR7, the Turks being one.

Comair will finally be able to say bye bye to ATL ramp, Im sure your real disappointed.

Medeco

 

[BlackCoffee]

I heard Delta Mainline flies to Provo but do not see it in the time table. Is it going to be ASA service only?

 

[MedFlyer]

I heard Delta Mainline flies to Provo but do not see it in the time table. Is it going to be ASA service only?

During the winter months (peak season for the Caribbean), DL mainline will fly to Provo on Saturdays...ASA will fill in on the other days.

 

[rjcap]

Isnt the 50 mile land limit a hard limit? In other words if we were in that desperate of a need to deviate more than 50 miles would we not be required to declare an emergency?

No. Its only for flight planning.

On another note. As long as flights in excess of 2 hours are making money we will continue to do them.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

My understanding is it is a hard limit. We had a pilot get in trouble going to NAS one time because center gave him direct south of JAX and he accepted it and as a result was more than 50 from land at some point. I don't know who turned him in but he did get a letter from the FAA.

Going to YHZ from BOS the other day, I was told direct "when able" . I had to wait a little before going to keep within the 50 mile limit. There was no weather so I assumed he said "when able" because of the 50 mile limit.

 

[wms]

In recurrent we were told it was a hard limit, and to deviate more than 50nm, we should declare an emergency.

 

[rjcap]

In recurrent we were told it was a hard limit, and to deviate more than 50nm, we should declare an emergency.

So they have changed there tune on that one. I wonder what other rules the company has been ignoring.

 

[Snapperhead]

50 nm might sound like a lot for deviation, but it's really not much room for error. It's a violation waiting to happen.

 

[captain caveman]

I didn't know the ATR could make it there. Oh, did you mean 70 pax?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

RJCap,

The Freeport 10-10 page has a Caution that "The flight must remain within 50 nautical miles of land at all times." That is the only interpretation I have ever heard of that rule. If you want to go beyond 50nm you need to carry life rafts. The only other exception I can have been exposed to is the WATRS (western atlantic something, something, something) the AR routes east of Florida. It allows airlines to fly as far west as AR-7 (on the 7/8 high) wiht only life jackets at a minimum altitude of FL250. One other stipulation was that you had to either on an AR numbered route or being vectored to join it. The NM limitation on that exeption was 163 from shore if I can remember. The only thing, it was only allowed in the WATRS area and that wouldn't let us get to Provo.

The only was I see ASA getting a 70 seater to Provo leagely is to get EROPS (extended range operations). Now it's not ETOPS which has 8 billions rules and all. Basically, if you carry life rafts you can go 1 hour single-engine flying time from land. The MD-80 was 394nm if I can remember. ALl the 80's we went to the carribean had this since like others had said, you may need to deviate and the 50nm rule is a hard number.