ASA to get all of CMR's 900's

[sweptback]

New rule: Anybody who posts a rumor on Flightinfo with a thread title suggesting it's a done deal should be banned. This happens way too much around here.

 

[Flybywire44]

I heard this rumor last night. Also that Comair will go to ground handling only.

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[Stifler's Mom]

Very classy thread. I guarantee you wouldn't think it was very funny if ASA were on the receiving end of it.

Quit making the rest of us look like Dickheads!!!!!!!!!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

To be honest, this is a very plausable outcome. It appears that DAL/DCI Inc. is setting the stage to minimize OH as much as possible. The last step of creating a DCI holding company for all ground handling is very transparent.
IMHO, I would not be surprised to see those jets show up there. You need at least 25 jets to make a fleet efficient.

 

[clarkwgriswald]

Maybe if it happens the Delta guys can have a big celebration. Although I doubt mainline will fly them so the routes and aircraft will still be outsourced, but that's ok as long as its not comair.

 

[www.]

Very classy thread. I guarantee you wouldn't think it was very funny if ASA were on the receiving end of it.

Quit making the rest of us look like Dickheads!!!!!!!!!

Your only a "Dickhead" if you allow him to make you look like one.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Maybe if it happens the Delta guys can have a big celebration. Although I doubt mainline will fly them so the routes and aircraft will still be outsourced, but that's ok as long as its not comair.

We would love to fly them, but there is a little lawsuit and settlement that will make it hard. Remember the Ford-Cooksey settlement? Well look it up. It is the result of what happened about 10 years ago.

 

[JoeMerchant]

We would love to fly them, but there is a little lawsuit and settlement that will make it hard. Remember the Ford-Cooksey settlement? Well look it up. It is the result of what happened about 10 years ago.

Are we admitting that the lawsuit had an effect? I guess it was money well spent....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I think that the terms of the settlement will give DALPA a headache, they made decide to deal with the headache.

As for LOA 2006-10 I am more than convinced that you had constructive notice of the merger and what both contracts entailed. No surprises here. I think you may have to live with it. I know there was a meeting last Friday, but as far as I know nothing firm happened.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

FWIW Joe, that lawsuit and settlement will more than likely cause more harm to this profession than good. It ties a lot of hands, not just DALPA's.

 

[cmrflyer]

You need at least 25 jets to make a fleet efficient.

Hmm
Well i guess Delta will have to get rid of the 777, 747-400, 747F, A330, etc, according to you.
Major shrinkage in the works, hold on.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

I think that the terms of the settlement will give DALPA a headache, they made decide to deal with the headache.

As for LOA 2006-10 I am more than convinced that you had constructive notice of the merger and what both contracts entailed. No surprises here. I think you may have to live with it. I know there was a meeting last Friday, but as far as I know nothing firm happened.

ACL65 - Can you be a little more clear with what you are referring to, your post is a little ambiguous.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ACL65 - Can you be a little more clear with what you are referring to, your post is a little ambiguous.

It was directed at Joe and he knew what I was talking about.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Hmm
Well i guess Delta will have to get rid of the 777, 747-400, 747F, A330, etc, according to you.
Major shrinkage in the works, hold on.

Hey genius. I was referring to the domestic gauge. seven or so for international. It has always been the issue with the MD-90's. Having so few of them has cost a lot of money over the years.
International jets are a lot different and what is needed to make the fleet work. More crews lower the actual fleet count, but I am sure you knew that.

I will spare you the financial details of how it is broken down.

 

[Tarzan]

I will spare you the financial details of how it is broken down.

Please Oh Real Man Of Genius! Don't spare us from your glorified Delta knowledge. We will all be better individuals for your ability to enlighten us. Lord knows we regional pukes need some help.

 

[JoeMerchant]

FWIW Joe, that lawsuit and settlement will more than likely cause more harm to this profession than good. It ties a lot of hands, not just DALPA's.

The harm was done by ALPA and the mainline MECs ignoring this problem for the past 20 years.....It is now every man for themself....

ALPA and the mainline MECs should have never outsourced this flying in the first place.....but their ego's couldn't handle flying "little airplanes"....In 2000, the ASA and CMR MECs tried to put the genie back in the bottle...but once again, inflated mainline ego's couldn't stomach the thought of "regional pilots" on the same list....

I'm glad this settlement ties a lot of hands....We're done trying to work with you folks...time to defend our turf.....

 

[Freeze]

Hey genius. I was referring to the domestic gauge. seven or so for international. It has always been the issue with the MD-90's. Having so few of them has cost a lot of money over the years.
International jets are a lot different and what is needed to make the fleet work. More crews lower the actual fleet count, but I am sure you knew that.

I will spare you the financial details of how it is broken down.

Well, don't spare me. I would like to know!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The harm was done by ALPA and the mainline MECs ignoring this problem for the past 20 years.....It is now every man for themself....

ALPA and the mainline MECs should have never outsourced this flying in the first place.....but their ego's couldn't handle flying "little airplanes"....In 2000, the ASA and CMR MECs tried to put the genie back in the bottle...but once again, inflated mainline ego's couldn't stomach the thought of "regional pilots" on the same list....

I'm glad this settlement ties a lot of hands....We're done trying to work with you folks...time to defend our turf.....

Joe, people like you are the reason that we cannot "take it back" as easily as we would like to. I am sure that if the guys at ASA who were not around 10 years ago became enlightened to the history they would have more than a few strong words for you.
Most not all, as you are an exception would like to see most DCI flying brought back in house. I do not think that 50 seat flying can be brought back in no matter how hard you try.
Now that 76 seat flying, we will see.
Realize that former allies are over here now, the game is changing Joe, there might just be a chance here if you quit fighting battles from yesteryear. The mix is a lot different here, and will continue to change as we start our hiring frenzy. Fact is that there will be very few pilots left at DCI to give your fight any money, they will all be going to DAL to become 2 year Captains.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well, don't spare me. I would like to know!

It actually is really complicated, but it short terms, it has to do with spares, price of spares, crews, price of crews, holding costs, training costs, and recency issues. With ULH (Ultra Long Haul) jets the economics change. They are a little different for your run of the mill international birds too.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

The harm was done by ALPA and the mainline MECs ignoring this problem for the past 20 years.....It is now every man for themself....

ALPA and the mainline MECs should have never outsourced this flying in the first place....Holy sh!t, I actually agree with you.but their ego's couldn't handle flying "little airplanes"...well that did not las long. In 2000, the ASA and CMR MECs tried to put the genie back in the bottle...but once again, inflated mainline ego's couldn't stomach the thought of "regional pilots" on the same list....There you go again with your pity party. Lots of us former commuter guys at the majors. The problem all of us have has been explained ad-nauseum to you john. We took the risk of leaving our previous jobs, going on probation, newhire pay, bottom of the list and all the risks associated with that. You are not quite telling the truth to the newbies in the industry you fly with when you give your views of the events. Had the asa/cmr guys worked with dalpa and agreed up front to a staple with conditions, this could have worked. Unfortunatly, a hand full of bitter, chip on the shoulder lifers ran the show. They were senior, got good skeds, and paid ok. They saw an opportunity to go for the gold by trying to force a traditional merger. They, the lifers ruined what could have been an industry changing event. The fault lies with no one, other than the rjdc ******************************bags.

I'm glad this settlement ties a lot of hands....We're done trying to work with you folks...time to defend our turf.....

What exactly do you think you are defending?? You don't OWN any flying, it is lent to you by dalpa thru Delta Airlines. Your flying is only as good as your companies contract with Dal AND Deltas contract with DALPA. I can assure you that if any settlement btw the rj******************************BAGSc and ALPA natl. that degrades, deminishes, or alters our scope to our detriment, the Delta pilots will leave alpa so fast your little head will spin off. Alpa is on the ropes financially, and with out our 12000+ higher paying dues members, they are toast.

One more thing for you, or any other rjdcer. It is obvious that y'all yearn to be at the mainline, why did you guys not get hired in the last 2-3 hiring cycles???