Asa Ta No Way

[JumpersAway]

I'm sitting on the fence as well- but am leaning more toward a yes vote. I'm not sure how much more we would get if we cast it off to further ratification anyway. At least it is a start and a strong foothold for another round of bargaining three years down the road.

 

[Beergut]

Here ya go:
Pay cuts for the 44 hardest working pilots in the company. So much for no pilot left behind.
A commuter clause that leaves out ATL based pilots commuting in from vacation.
Integration.
Floating days off on reserve.
There should be 12 days off always.
Reserve call up is not seniority based for no-preference.
No PTO days.
Restrictions on trip drops.
Reserves can't pick up trips.
The signing bonus is half of what we lost over the last five years.

There's more, but that's what I come with in about 10 seconds.

Who are the 44 hardest working pilots in the company? Have you been to a roadshow?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Whew, I was starting to worry about you ASA guys...hadn't seen an ASA thread in weeks.

Glad to know you're all ok!

 

[wms]

Maybe I could just say the 44 pilots who will be working harder for less in the new contract. I don't need a road show to know I'm getting a pay cut. That's enough for a no-vote by itself.

 

[scarlet]

how are you getting a pay cut, bonus (file tax exmept for two weeks and keep for a little while longer), profit sharing every three months most likely, 401k dep. every month? And let CAL Express and Comair and Republic Holdings all have to NEG> a new contract in the next two years.

When do you think this would be settled if voted down? 2 years?

 

[rightseatjocky]

I just voted YES. I have read the contract and most of it makes sense except for the commuter clause. That could use some work.

 

[OpsCheckGood]

The TA overall is good! Are there things I don't like? sure.... I would rather have a trip rig over a min. day, among other things. Is it a vast improvement (as a whole) over what we currently have? absolutely!!!
If you have not been to a roadshow and had these things explained by the people who lived and breathed every angle of this contract for years then don't blow smoke on this board for the world to see. It has quality of life and money. The money is not just there in the compensation columns! As far as the 44 hardest working guys at the company are concerned, I know alot of them and they're great guys. The situation is still a much better deal than the stndard line guy has. And for the 1 out of 44 that is obviously the hardest worker of all, don't belittle the other 1700 of us. You're there for us, not the other way around. I'm voting YES!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Whew, I was starting to worry about you ASA guys...hadn't seen an ASA thread in weeks.

Glad to know you're all ok!

What's up Wally? Yes, we're ok, thanks for asking. I'm not sure what is going to happen to FI though. It sure is strange logging on here now and not seeing 7 or 8 ASA threads on the first page. Kind of boring personally.

Oh well. How's your sister XPOO doing? :beer:

 

[WalterSobchak]

What's up Wally? Yes, we're ok, thanks for asking. I'm not sure what is going to happen to FI though. It sure is strange logging on here now and not seeing 7 or 8 ASA threads on the first page. Kind of boring personally.

Oh well. How's your sister XPOO doing? :beer:

It's kinda like being in the Twilight Zone without the 7 or 8 ASA threads.

Haven't talked to XPOO in a while, so not a clue.

Seriously, though...best of luck to you guys with the TA. Hope it turns out to be all you want it to be.

 

[ohplease!]

You obviously haven't read the TA. We are returning to the line with the new contract.

Dick Gozinya

If you're doing ANY type of training because its more money, YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THE WRONG REASONS ANYWAY!!!!! Please do all of us a favor and go back to the line....

 

[No Delay]

Originally Posted by scarlet
They will have to build trips around 24 hours a week or hire about 300 more pilots. Which means you will have an average of 15-16 days off.

Can you explain that statement? Last bid, I went through about 12-15 lines (4 days). Almost everyone of them a rig would have never came into play. The lines that would trigger a rig would only add 15 mins at the most. I think we will see 4 day trips, 7 or 8 hours of duty, 4-5 hours of flying...that would keep you right at the edge of a rig without triggering and it would be exactly what SH has been wanting all along.

Does anyone think differently?

 

[John Pennekamp]

If you're doing ANY type of training because its more money, YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THE WRONG REASONS ANYWAY!!!!! Please do all of us a favor and go back to the line....

AMEN!!!

 

[PositionandHold]

Everyone who thinks these Duty Rigs are huge doesn't realize that they are based on scheduled time.

The TA in reality sucks, especially considering it took 5 years. Send it back and let them tweak it. You never accept management's 1st offer.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Everyone who thinks these Duty Rigs are huge doesn't realize that they are based on scheduled time.

The TA in reality sucks, especially considering it took 5 years. Send it back and let them tweak it. You never accept management's 1st offer.

"This TA in reality sucks"? Is it better overall than what we currently have or worse? Tell me how good our current duty rigs are... wait, we don't have any!

Stop making ignorant statements which demonstrate a lack of understanding of the process. If we send it back, it will not be a "tweak", it will be a year minimum under an 8 year old contract, while heading into an economic recession. Smarten up!

Oh, and kindly enlighten us with how long you've been here and how many airlines you've worked for. I'd like to gauge your credibility, because I'm suspecting you're another Generation Y "I want my entitlement" pilot. Tell us how we "never accept management's 1st offer"? What a stupid statement.

 

[scarlet]

if you send it back--FINE it will be almost two years! The NMB told Airtran see you in 7-9 months from sep. so that is when they could meet again...

CAN you say goodbye 50s and skywest hello 70s

 

[WWEfan]

I voted "in favor" today.

 

[wms]

From Oh Please

If you're doing ANY type of training because its more money, YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THE WRONG REASONS ANYWAY!!!!! Please do all of us a favor and go back to the line....

AMEN!!!

If I said "If you're doing ANY type of flying for the money, YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THE WRONG REASON, do us all a favor and quit flying", I'd be lynched.
Funny, If pilots are willing to fly for less money, they're scabs. If Pilots have SJS because they're just happy to have a job, they're losers. If pilots are willing to cave for growth because they love to fly, they're a disgrace to the profession. Pilots shouldn't be willing to compromise to do what they love.

But your own co-workers are getting a raw deal and you don't care. In fact you tell them they should be ashamed for not wanting to take a pay cut. I love to do what I do. But the fact is, between the maintenance flights; flying with pilots who have never been above 10000', above 250kts, in class B airspace or have never flown a turbine aircraft, a check airman has more liability against his certificate than other pilots. And in the new contract it's even more so.

I'll vote no along with most other FSPs, and the contract will pass overwhelmingly. But I love what I do and will still do it, even with a pay cut. But I'm not happy about it. So much for no pilot left behind.

Hypocrites.

 

[JoeMerchant]

So much for no pilot left behind.

Some of us knew that was just a campaign slogan... There is no such thing in this business.....

People don't want to hear the truth.... they like empty campaign slogans much more....

 

[rightseatjocky]

you Can't Handle The Truth !!!!!
HEHE

 

[CFIT]

You guys may want to reconsider the provisio of the profit share language. What you guys have now is somewhat worse than the initial offer made to SkyWest pilots around two years ago, and as stated will only give ASA eligables less than half of what is in the books for the SkyWest pilots. And I'm not trying to start a fight but ASA margin has been running lower, generally than SkyWest.

You guys may want to reconsider.......