ASA System CP

[701EV]

Log onto FLICA to see the Bio on our new system CP.

Where do they get these people from? Hell I bet he knows DB and SY. The back ground dosen't instill a lot of confidence to run our operation. I wonder if Mr Tutt had any say so in his hiring?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm!

701EV

 

[snowpatrol82]

your new sysem cp

Give him a chance. He's been my boss for the past 3 years at Chicago Express and I pretty much speak for the enitre pilot group that he is a brilliant man. The fall of C.E. was not due to all the hard work he put into "his" company. ATA drove C.E. into the ground. Again, give him a chance, you'll be pleasently surprised.

 

[ALSF 2]

Perhaps one of the best managers a pilot group could EVER have. You folks in Atlanta are very lucky. Enjoy the gift you have just received.

Cheers!

 

[sleepy]

He may very well be a "good guy" now, but I give him 2 month of drinking the ASA management kool-aid, and he will be a pilots worst nightmare (just like most of the rest of them).

 

[saabcaptain]

Man oh man are you wrong on this one. You just inherited the most honest and pro-pilot manager in the airlines. Period. Scott Hall was *loved* by the pilots at his former company, they would have followed him to hell and back. You all hit the lotto today and what is sad is you just don't know it yet.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Yeah, I can't see Scotty drinking anyone's kool-aid. You guys/gals are lucky as he!!

He got the major shaft at Chicago Express and stayed until well after the end.

 

[saabcaptain]

Log onto FLICA to see the Bio on our new system CP.

Where do they get these people from? Hell I bet he knows DB and SY. The back ground dosen't instill a lot of confidence to run our operation. I wonder if Mr Tutt had any say so in his hiring?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm!

701EV

ps: he has had the same position offer in the past from you guys and at least 2 other *major* regional airlines, but he stayed at his old company out of IMHO loyality to the company and its pilot group.

 

[sleepy]

Yeah, I can't see Scotty drinking anyone's kool-aid. You guys/gals are lucky as he!!

He got the major shaft at Chicago Express and stayed until well after the end.

I doubt if the man has ever experienced a "corporate culture" like the one at ASA. For the sake of the ASA pilots, I hope it turns out well.

 

[Freebrd]

Excuse the ASA pilots for being suspicious and skepticle of this selection. Every Chief Pilot (system CP now), and every VP Flight Ops for that matter, we have had turns into an adversary for the pilots at ASA. We don't trust any of them. Even the Base CPs are powerless to do much for the pilots at ASA because of the attitude of top management at ASA. In the past 20 years every one of these System CPs has negotiated for the company against the ASA pilots. One in particular, recently retired from flying but still here, took much glee in the last round of negotiations bargaining against the ASA pilots. He paid for it by losing the respect and being ostracized by the ASA pilots.

Hell even DB initially impressed some of us when he first came here. But, he adapted ASA management's attitude quickly and became a foe of the pilots.

When Delta realizes what Skip and Chuck are doing at ASA maybe they will step in like last time time and get the contract settled. Until then, these new appointments, CP & VP Flt Ops, don't impress us. As I learned in the military, you don't demand respect, you have to EARN it. And ASA management has a long way to go to achieve that my friends!

 

[ALSF 2]

Well, you have the right man in place to earn your respect. Hopefully, the pilot group will allow time for this to happen. He is not from the "ASA way," he is an outsider who has not been brought up within your current culture. He is a manager that truly believes in the golden rule. Enjoy.

Cheers!

 

[Freebrd]

>>>>>He is not from the "ASA way," he is an outsider who has not been brought up within your current culture.<<<<<

He will not last long here if he bucks upper managements directions. Doesn't matter if he opposes what managemnet directs him to do. He'll do it or be replaced. Been going on for the entire history of ASA. Again, this ASA pilot group has had enough and the house may come crumbling down soon.

 

[skyboat]

Excuse my ignorance (I am a 121 pilot) but how can an airline hire an outside system Chief Pilot? I have always been under the impression that the FAA required an individual to be a qualified Captain on some piece of equipment that the airline operates. How can a newhire pilot be allowed to upgrade to Captain right out of the bat? I thought all ALPA contracts required an individual to upgrade via seniority?

 

[capt. megadeth]

ALPA contract = $hit.....come on.


Anyways, yes, you do have to earn respect. IMHO, if this guy doesn't turn things around, you guys are screwed because then no one will. One other thing, I don't blame you all for being skeptical in the least because let's face it, most management these days doesn't give a crap about you or me. Give the guy a chance though. Good Luck!

 

[HoserASA]

Excuse my ignorance (I am a 121 pilot) but how can an airline hire an outside system Chief Pilot?


He would be in a mgt position. He will most likely get checked out in one of our aircraft. That would then fulfill the FAR requirement. As he is management, he will not be on the seniority list. Anyone correct if this wrong.

Hoser

 

[canyonblue737]

HoserASA is right, he need only be checked out and his name can be put on the certificate.

May I also say this: your new guy isn't gonna fold. He is pro-pilot to his last bone and I suspect if ASA upper management would try to force his hand against the pilots he would leave, that is what type of individual I consider him to be.

Be suspicious all you want based on past experience but I tell you, the guy will not do the pilots wrong.

 

[Medeco]

How many of you knew that DB had givin himself a seniority number at ASA? Has anyone heard the story about him bringing an ATR across the pond, and decided that the wind forcast was over stated and barely made it with the fuel lights on for 30min, and he was crying like a baby with the life vest on and the floats ready to go in the back? I just heard that one for the first time.


I also heard that the reason DB was fired was he went against DAL orders back in Jan/Feb ice storm. I was just told that he defied orders to get all ASA aircraft out of ATL because he thought the forcasters were overstating the ice storm and he would be a hero and operate ASA anyway, which cost him big when the aircraft were frozen over. In addition he miscalculated(bigtime) the staffing needed after the DFW closure, thinking most would transfer to ATL. We all know how well that is going, captains.

Now we have a VP of flight ops who has no ties to ASA, is retired from DAL, and came back to win 1 billion from mainline. Can you see the writing on the wall? It isnt like he is going to have a bunch of old friends he used to fly with getting mad at him, he has nothing to lose sleep over.


In addition, we have a new system CP who probably is a great guy, but very well may be the guy who is supposed to be our new best friend, and in the end will be the fall guy for the people above him. If you look back you will see this has been the trend ever since DW was fired, prior to that we had a great relation with management when DW was in this position.

The only thing I think will possibly crash my theory. Drew is gone, and I see him behind most of our previous problems. Now that he is gone, I can see Skip, Brian, and Charlie, all former DAL, putting together a new package of people that have a reputable backgrounds.

Minus Chuck T.

If he moves out, then we may have a better outlook.

Medeco

 

[Glideslope!]

Our ship sank on March 28th and Scott was still there until this last week(one MONTH) later helping all of our crewmembers find alternate employment. Not many managers of an airline would still be assisting the flight crewmembers, on his OWN time pick up the pieces of their careers and move on. MOST airline manager types would have abandoned the ship at the first sign of distress, sailing away in a golden lifeboat. Scott is a definite class act in this industry. You guys at ASA haven't always been the luckiest, but you lucked out BIG time on this one. I hope you guys give him a chance. I'm very confident that those of us who have worked for him that have posted on this board will not be proven wrong.

 

[Ted Striker]

Sounds good

Scott sounds like a great guy. They can pump up his bio all they want, but hearing it from people that actually worked with (for) him means so much more. I for one will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he can make a difference. Glass half full and all that...

 

[canyonblue737]

Glideslope is dead on right. Scott was arranging pilot and flight attendant job interviews and meet and greets with dozens of airlines and corporate jobs for the furloughed pilots of C8 this last month. He was pulling strings and writing letters of rec. for pilots left and right. And he did it for the last few weeks as a man on the street himself.

I don't know if one guy alone can change a corporate culture, perhaps that is naive... but don't doubt that he sure might just try.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Medeco,
You may be right about SH being the fall guy. Let's hope not. Chicago Express was his baby. ATA majorly screwed Chicago Express, SH and it's employees. ATA dumped all it's debt on Chicago Express and consistently denied SH business plans to grow the company and ensure it's viability. SH was there in the beginning and stayed until well after the end. The others are right, how many managment people do you know that would arrange job fairs and take in resumes to other airlines for their pilots? And unlike the Mesa pr!ck, I don't think he has any motorcycles. The only vehicle I know of that he owns is an older SUV.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I for one will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he can make a difference. Glass half full and all that...

Me too.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The only vehicle I know of that he owns is an older SUV.

Is it a kidnap van? With the one round window?

 

[CF34-3B1]

Scott sounds like a great guy. They can pump up his bio all they want, but hearing it from people that actually worked with (for) him means so much more. I for one will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he can make a difference. Glass half full and all that...

Agreed,

Let's see what happens.

 

[ifly4food]

Always the Flightinfo optimist (tic) I suspect Medeco is right. Scott will be the pilot advocate and will one day be instructed to deliver the pilot group to management. When he refuses to roll us over, the problems of ASA will be heaped on him and he will be the fall guy.

This is how ASA treats its mid level managers. We see them come and go... *yawn*, Scott will be no exception.

 

[No Delay]

Ahhhh, the ghost of chief pilots past.

If everything is as bad as some of you guys say (CP vs. Pilots), what do we have to lose?

Everyone who has worked for him says he is a stand up guy. Let's give him a chance. My attitude is that he is a great guy doing a great job until he proves otherwise.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Discarding allready?

This is how ASA treats its mid level managers. We see them come and go... *yawn*, Scott will be no exception.

Maybe we should back him up and give him the support he needs to help our pilots. I don't think we should assume this guy is classic management. Lets give him something to work with. Just a thought!

 

[canyonblue737]

And after he has been there a while let us know what you think alright... he will be great.

 

[Vdub Pilot]

You all have NO IDEA how lucky you are. Scott rocks! Heck, half the time our pilots bypassed our cheif pilot and went directly to him if they had any issues they needed resolved or clarified.

Very personable man who has your career in mind, not just his own.

 

[Dart]

Good luck to all! Scott will do a fine job.