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boknowsASA

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So who is in for an ASA slowdown like we did on the last contract?


Take the can F/O's on the walk around and write up everything! Paint chip write it up. Dents, tires, pull on the static wicks make sure they are secrure. Top tail nav lights, shimmy dampers low, check the fwd cargo bins see if they lock in postion, check the screens around the smoke detectors in the fwd cargo etc. If your seat sucks and is not up to par or the bolt that pushes thru on the armrest write that ******************** up!!!! It's time to bring this airline to a halt!!

From here on out call in your Out time in ATL otherwise the DEPT. cord. will lie and say its out ontime.

Let's show them who still controls this airline. They make the rules but we run the airline.

otherideas:

1.Sit at the end of the ramp don't call ground wait for them to call you.
2. No single engine taxi.
3. Take atleast 1,000-1,500 pounds more gas every time.
4. Slowdown fly .74 or .70 everywhere (I know this will be hard for us on the 700)
5. Hurt them on the big money flights EYW, turks, st cr change the max by 3-4 people less by taking more gas.
6. Show up to the airplane right at 45min prior
7. Wait in ops for it to say "at the gate" than go outside, don't go out in the heat and wait for it.
8. Do not board till you have a release and don't call for it either!
9. Disreguard all of this if it's the last leg home of the trip! Have fun be safe and play by the rules.

Let the slow down begin

I hope BL is gone soon!
 
boknowsASA said:
1.Sit at the end of the ramp don't call ground wait for them to call you.


uuuuhhhhh, NO, cus then your messing with us, its already hard enough getting out of the ramp.
 
I agree don't fu_k up ramp four any more then it already is. It's always that one chick (in da tower) that screws it up.
 
Maybe when you pull up to the gate you should wait a while before you park....oh disregard...that already happens.
 
Good luck defending taking 1000 lbs. of fuel over ramp and bumping 5 pax. without coordinating it with the dispatcher. I'm all about flying by the book, but be careful about outright violating the FOM.
 
180ToTheMarker said:
Maybe when you pull up to the gate you should wait a while before you park....oh disregard...that already happens.

Thanks 180ToTheMarker, I just laughed milk through my nose. I love landing 20 minutes early and waiting 30 minutes to get parked! No, really, I don't like getting paid premium! (That's sarcasm you smell)

Nip
 
Great idea Moron's - that will really send a message to Jerry to try and work things out. As I said before - you are employees of Skywest Inc. Keep up the crappy work and watch ASA turn to dust. But wait....the a/c, gates, equip. will all still be there along with the routes - who would fly them if you all walked???? Oh yeah - SKYWEST!! BTW - this wouldn't make the SW pilots scabs either.

Keep it up.....

Or - Do your best, fly the CURRENT contract and the Op's manual and get a paycheck. I can hear it now:

Pilot: Honey, we are really going to show St. George by doing a slow down and writing up everything we can. This will put a great strain on Sky West Inc. and they will fold to us and we will get the contract that we want!!

Wife: Are you sure this is a good idea?

Pilot: Oh yeah - all the guys on flightinfo are talking about it - we'll really show em!!

Wife: This sounds like a way to loose your job.....

(Two weeks later.....)

Pilot: Honey - bad news, Sky West Inc just gave us a new contract offer - much less than we have now and if we don't take it they will shut us down - maybe you were right.......

Wife: I told you so DUMBASS......

(Two months later…..)

Pilot: Honey, I finally got the interview offer from Skywest! If I make it I'll be making more than I did at ASA, we won't have to move and upgrade is less than two years!! Can you fix me another cup of Kookaid?!?!?

Good luck ASA - but don't put the nail in your own coffin!!

Baja.
 
Code of Ethics? I am not attacking you, is this in part of the Code of Ethics that a professional should adhere to?
 
Going2Baja said:
Great idea Moron's - that will really send a message to Jerry to try and work things out. As I said before - you are employees of Skywest Inc. Keep up the crappy work and watch ASA turn to dust. But wait....the a/c, gates, equip. will all still be there along with the routes - who would fly them if you all walked???? Oh yeah - SKYWEST!! BTW - this wouldn't make the SW pilots scabs either.

Keep it up.....

Or - Do your best, fly the CURRENT contract and the Op's manual and get a paycheck. I can hear it now:

Pilot: Honey, we are really going to show St. George by doing a slow down and writing up everything we can. This will put a great strain on Sky West Inc. and they will fold to us and we will get the contract that we want!!

Wife: Are you sure this is a good idea?

Pilot: Oh yeah - all the guys on flightinfo are talking about it - we'll really show em!!

Wife: This sounds like a way to loose your job.....

(Two weeks later.....)

Pilot: Honey - bad news, Sky West Inc just gave us a new contract offer - much less than we have now and if we don't take it they will shut us down - maybe you were right.......

Wife: I told you so DUMBASS......

(Two months later…..)

Pilot: Honey, I finally got the interview offer from Skywest! If I make it I'll be making more than I did at ASA, we won't have to move and upgrade is less than two years!! Can you fix me another cup of Kookaid?!?!?

Good luck ASA - but don't put the nail in your own coffin!!

Baja.

I agree, we should be careful. Illegal job actions are just that, illegal, not to mention counterproductive. I for one am going to do my job right. Not because they tell me to, but because I take pride in my work, even if I am making peanuts. I took this job knowing what I was getting into.

That being said, I am keeping my eyes elsewhere. Anyone know of any good corporate gigs?
 
ASA_Aviator said:
I agree, we should be careful. Illegal job actions are just that, illegal, not to mention counterproductive. I for one am going to do my job right. Not because they tell me to, but because I take pride in my work, even if I am making peanuts. I took this job knowing what I was getting into.

That being said, I am keeping my eyes elsewhere. Anyone know of any good corporate gigs?

If every ASA pilot had the integrity that you have your airline would be doing fine! Keep the faith and good luck!

As for corporate, keep an eye out - it seems like everyone is hiring in some faction. I wish I would have gone to the RJ - it looks like that type can open a lot of doors in the corporate arena.

Baja.
 
Taking on more fuel will not hurt Skywest or ASA in the slightest, Delta is required by contract to pay for all fuel cost.

Your required to be at the gate 45 prior regardless of the info board.

I could go on and on about you big ideas Mr. Bo, you make ASA pilots look foolish with your post.

Even more, you risk not only your job, but ASA ALPA with court action if you dont shut your trap.

If you guys want to be paid and treated as professionals, you should think twice. Do it the legal way, by the book, nothing more or less.

If you want to act like a moron, then go for it.

This ASA pilot is fed up too, but Im not gonna scream, cry, and kick my feet like a little baby acting out cause he didnt get his cookie right away.

Let our CNC do their job and then when its time to vote and we dont see the things we need then we vote no.


Medeco
 
ASADFW7 said:
Code of Ethics? I am not attacking you, is this in part of the Code of Ethics that a professional should adhere to?

In case there's a question

Code of Ethics
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An Air Line Pilot will keep uppermost in his mind that the safety, comfort, and well-being of the passengers who entrust their lives to him are his first and greatest responsibility.

• He will never permit external pressures or personal desires to influence his judgment, nor will he knowingly do anything that could jeopardize flight safety.
• He will remember that an act of omission can be as hazardous as a deliberate act of commission, and he will not neglect any detail that contributes to the safety of his flight, or perform any operation in a negligent or careless manner.
• Consistent with flight safety, he will at all times operate his aircraft in a manner that will contribute to the comfort, peace of mind, and well-being of his passengers, instilling in them trust in him and the airline he represents.
• Once he has discharged his primary responsibility for the safety and comfort of his passengers, he will remember that they depend upon him to do all possible to deliver them to their destination at the scheduled time.
• If disaster should strike, he will take whatever action he deems necessary to protect the lives of his passengers and crew.

An Air Line Pilot will faithfully discharge the duty he owes the airline that employs him and whose salary makes possible his way of life.

• He will do all within his powers to operate his aircraft efficiently and on schedule in a manner that will not cause damage or unnecessary maintenance.
• He will respect the officers, directors, and supervisors of his airline, remembering that respect does not entail subservience.
• He will faithfully obey all lawful directives given by his supervisors, but will insist and, if necessary, refuse to obey any directives that, in his considered judgment, are not lawful or will adversely affect flight safety. He will remember that in the final analysis the responsibility for safe completion of the flight rests upon his shoulders.
• He will not knowingly falsify any log or record, nor will he condone such action by other crew members.
• He will remember that a full month’s salary demands a full and fair month’s work. On his days off, he will not engage in any occupation or activity that will diminish his efficiency or bring discredit to his profession.
• He will realize that he represents the airline to all who meet him and will at all times keep his personal appearance and conduct above reproach.
• He will give his airline, its officers, directors, and supervisors the full loyalty that is their due, and will refrain from speaking ill of them. If he feels it necessary to reveal and correct conditions that are not conducive to safe operations and harmonious relations, he will direct his criticism to the proper authorities within ALPA.
• He will hold his airline’s business secrets in confidence, and will take care that they are not improperly revealed.

An Air Line Pilot will accept the responsibilities as well as the rewards of command and will at all times so conduct himself both on duty and off as to instill and merit the confidence and respect of his crew, his fellow employees, and his associates within the profession.

• He will know and understand the duties of each member of his crew. If in command, he will be firm but fair, explicit yet tolerant of deviations that do not affect the safe and orderly completion of the flight. He will be efficient yet relaxed, so that the duties of the crew may be carried out in a harmonious manner.
• If in command, he will expect efficient performance of each crew member’s duties, yet he will overlook small discrepancies and refrain from unnecessary and destructive criticism, so that the crew member will retain his self-respect and cooperative attitude. A frank discussion of minor matters of technique and performance after the flight will create goodwill and a desire to be helpful, whereas sharp criticism and peremptory orders at the moment will result only in the breakdown of morale and an inefficient, halting performance of future duties.
• An Air Line Pilot will remember that his is a profession heavily dependent on training during regular operations and, if in command, will afford his flight crew members every reasonable opportunity, consistent with safety and efficiency, to learn and practice. He will endeavor to instill in his crew a sense of pride and responsibility. In making reports on the work and conduct of his crew members, he will avoid personal prejudices, make his reports factual and his criticisms constructive so that actions taken as a result of his reports will improve the knowledge and skill of his crew members, rather than bring discredit, endanger their livelihood, and threaten their standing in the profession.
• While in command, the Air Line Pilot will be mindful of the welfare of his crew. He will see to it that his crew are properly lodged and cared for, particularly during unusual operating conditions. When cancellations result in deadheading, he will ensure that proper arrangements are made for the transportation of his crew before he takes care of himself.

An Air Line Pilot will conduct his affairs with other members of the profession and with ALPA in such a manner as to bring credit to the profession and ALPA as well as to himself.

• He will not falsely or maliciously injure the professional reputation, prospects, or job security of another pilot, yet if he knows of professional incompetence or conduct detrimental to the profession or to ALPA, he will not shrink from revealing this to the proper authorities within ALPA, so that the weak member may be brought up to the standards demanded, or ALPA and the profession alike may be rid of one unworthy to share its rewards.
• He will conduct his affairs with ALPA and its members in accordance with the rules laid down in the Constitution and By-Laws of ALPA and with the policies and interpretations promulgated therefrom. Whenever possible, he will attend all meetings of ALPA open to him and will take an active part in its activities and in meetings of other groups calculated to improve air safety and the standing of the profession.
• An Air Line Pilot shall refrain from any action whereby, for his personal benefit or gain, he take advantage of the confidence reposed in him by his fellow members. If he is called upon to represent ALPA in any dispute, he will do so to the best of his ability, fairly and fearlessly, relying on the influence and power of ALPA to protect him.
• He will regard himself as a debtor to his profession and ALPA, and will dedicate himself to their advancement. He will cooperate in the upholding of the profession by exchanging information and experience with his fellow pilots and by actively contributing to the work of professional groups and the technical press.

An Air Line Pilot the honor of his profession is dear, and he will remember that his own character and conduct reflect honor or dishonor upon the profession.

• He will be a good citizen of his country, state, and community, taking an active part in their affairs, especially those dealing with the improvement of aviation facilities and the enhancement of air safety.
• He will conduct all his affairs in a manner that reflects credit on himself and his profession.
• He will remember that to his neighbors, friends, and acquaintances he represents both the profession and ALPA, and that his actions represent to them the conduct and character of all members of the profession and ALPA.
• He will realize that nothing more certainly fosters prejudices against and deprives the profession of its high public esteem and confidence than do breaches in the use of alcohol.
• He will not publish articles, give interviews, or permit his name to be used in any manner likely to bring discredit to another pilot, the airline industry, the profession, or ALPA.
• He will continue to keep abreast of aviation developments so that his skill and judgment, which heavily depend on such knowledge, may be of the highest order.
Having Endeavored to his utmost to faithfully fulfill the obligations of the ALPA Code of Ethics and Canons for the Guidance of Air Line Pilots, a pilot may consider himself worthy to be called…an AIRLINE PILOT.
 
Going2Baja said:
Great idea Moron's - that will really send a message to Jerry to try and work things out. As I said before - you are employees of Skywest Inc. Keep up the crappy work and watch ASA turn to dust. But wait....the a/c, gates, equip. will all still be there along with the routes - who would fly them if you all walked???? Oh yeah - SKYWEST!! BTW - this wouldn't make the SW pilots scabs either.

Keep it up.....

Or - Do your best, fly the CURRENT contract and the Op's manual and get a paycheck. I can hear it now:

Pilot: Honey, we are really going to show St. George by doing a slow down and writing up everything we can. This will put a great strain on Sky West Inc. and they will fold to us and we will get the contract that we want!!

Wife: Are you sure this is a good idea?

Pilot: Oh yeah - all the guys on flightinfo are talking about it - we'll really show em!!

Wife: This sounds like a way to loose your job.....

(Two weeks later.....)

Pilot: Honey - bad news, Sky West Inc just gave us a new contract offer - much less than we have now and if we don't take it they will shut us down - maybe you were right.......

Wife: I told you so DUMBASS......

(Two months later…..)

Pilot: Honey, I finally got the interview offer from Skywest! If I make it I'll be making more than I did at ASA, we won't have to move and upgrade is less than two years!! Can you fix me another cup of Kookaid?!?!?

Good luck ASA - but don't put the nail in your own coffin!!

Baja.
First, we have a better contract then you and b/c of that JA wants us to get rid of it. If we get something better then we have now he knows that will piss all you off and you'll want what we have; so then you'll have two pissed off pilot groups. I know it sounds like it was written by a illegal immigrant.
Second, I would love for you to come here and work a month and see how we get treated and are run by first graders. Last month they started taking sick time from FA for days off if they called in sick. EX. suppose to work 13-15th then have 16-19 off before returning to work on the 20th. Well they would charge them for sick time for their entire trip and the four off days 13-19th. That's fu_ked up man. Their response was yea we started doing that a couple of months ago. No memo ever published
You have a good relationship with your company and we don't, that's why we all pissed off. I agree that the stupid human tricks aren't going to get us a better contract but some people, we all have them.
If you think that JA can replaced 1900 pilots all the sudden or even in a year then good luck.
BTW we do great work and per the rules that govern us we do have to write up all maintenance items, IT'S THE LAW MORON.
 
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Yo!!! Head, I don't even work at SKYW - I'm just making an observsation. And your anger is just what will get you in trouble. You can combat lameness with niceness much better than returning the anger. If it $ucks that hard, start looking, but my guess is that there will be a merger down the road and life will get better.

Good luck and keep the faith!

Baja.
 
goahead said:
I agree don't fu_k up ramp four any more then it already is. It's always that one chick (in da tower) that screws it up.
My friend, "Two Plane Jane"
 
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ASA slowdown is it time yet??? I'm in
So who is in for an ASA slowdown like we did on the last contract?


Take the can F/O's on the walk around and write up everything! Paint chip write it up. Dents, tires, pull on the static wicks make sure they are secrure. Top tail nav lights, shimmy dampers low, check the fwd cargo bins see if they lock in postion, check the screens around the smoke detectors in the fwd cargo etc. If your seat sucks and is not up to par or the bolt that pushes thru on the armrest write that ******************** up!!!! It's time to bring this airline to a halt!!

From here on out call in your Out time in ATL otherwise the DEPT. cord. will lie and say its out ontime.

Let's show them who still controls this airline. They make the rules but we run the airline.

otherideas:

1.Sit at the end of the ramp don't call ground wait for them to call you.
2. No single engine taxi.
3. Take atleast 1,000-1,500 pounds more gas every time.
4. Slowdown fly .74 or .70 everywhere (I know this will be hard for us on the 700)
5. Hurt them on the big money flights EYW, turks, st cr change the max by 3-4 people less by taking more gas.
6. Show up to the airplane right at 45min prior
7. Wait in ops for it to say "at the gate" than go outside, don't go out in the heat and wait for it.
8. Do not board till you have a release and don't call for it either!
9. Disreguard all of this if it's the last leg home of the trip! Have fun be safe and play by the rules.

Let the slow down begin

I hope BL is gone soon!
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Actions like this only serve to reinforce the existing belief that ASA pilots are children. Do you really believe that either the Skywest management or shareholders care??? You will only serve to reinforce their belief that the ASA pilot workforce should not be allowed to carry their passengers.

Bob
 
Besides - has anyone else noticed that we are actually growing? The numbers appear like we will pick up 3 200's and around 9 or 10 700/900's from the base realignment.
 
It is so pathetic to read what you guys are writing to each other. I mean, come on.

You guys are the same EXACT people who would be bashing on some pay issue, some "pay for training" guy, or some other facet of our industry that frustrates you by saying "Its about time we all stick together as a group and blah blah blah... then we will make respectable wages and blah blah blah and maybe they wont treat us like total $H!t blah blah."

And at the same time you are going at each other's throats like one of you just violated the other's wife. I mean "First off, our contract is better than yours...." HAHAHAHAHA. Whats next??? "Nuh uh!"

You all need to realize that while the industry sucks right now, it could be worse. I know we all paid an insane amount of money to be where we are... for mere peanuts, but go ask Ramon how much he likes landscaping in 100 degree heat all day. I bet he would say "You are a pu$$y."

Grow a pair and stop being so hypocritical.
 
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ASA_Aviator said:
I agree, we should be careful. Illegal job actions are just that, illegal, not to mention counterproductive. I for one am going to do my job right. Not because they tell me to, but because I take pride in my work, even if I am making peanuts. I took this job knowing what I was getting into.

That being said, I am keeping my eyes elsewhere. Anyone know of any good corporate gigs?

I'm right there with ya and the corporate gigs. I have two in the works right now, just waiting to hear something. Its hard to find a quality corp job, its all about contacts, I am lucky to have one and it's still hard.
 
Get a Life!

Take the can F/O's on the walk around and write up everything! Paint chip write it up. Dents, tires, pull on the static wicks make sure they are secrure. Top tail nav lights, shimmy dampers low, check the fwd cargo bins see if they lock in postion, check the screens around the smoke detectors in the fwd cargo etc. If your seat sucks and is not up to par or the bolt that pushes thru on the armrest write that ******************** up!!!! It's time to bring this airline to a halt!!


You know, who are you really dumping on here? Mngmt or Maint? You delay the aircraft, maintenance gets right in the middle of your ridiculous personal agenda and is overwhelmed, the aircraft is delayed for no reason, and the pax and the maint guys are pissed. The operating costs go up while your proving your point, then we get told our costs are to high and we need to give more!! The lower our costs are and the better our operating numbers are the more we can request. But you knew that didn't you? Use some common sense.
 
ASA_Aviator said:
I agree, we should be careful. Illegal job actions are just that, illegal, not to mention counterproductive. I for one am going to do my job right. Not because they tell me to, but because I take pride in my work, even if I am making peanuts. I took this job knowing what I was getting into.

That being said, I am keeping my eyes elsewhere. Anyone know of any good corporate gigs?

Number one, not doing single engine taxi and flex takeoffs are not against the "book". Both of those things are, while "suggested", optional. Second, writing up things that are wrong with the aircraft is neither illegal or wrong. Many pilots here will fly with little things broke just to get the flight out on time. Making the company do their job by fixing things and providing airworthy planes is something that should be done ALL THE TIME.
 
Do you think ASA cares if you burn Delta's fuel? They care about flex takeoffs and single-engine taxi like they do the Atlanta ramp.
 
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atrdriver said:
Number one, not doing single engine taxi and flex takeoffs are not against the "book". Both of those things are, while "suggested", optional. Second, writing up things that are wrong with the aircraft is neither illegal or wrong. Many pilots here will fly with little things broke just to get the flight out on time. Making the company do their job by fixing things and providing airworthy planes is something that should be done ALL THE TIME.

Maybe, but NOT doing things which would save the company money just to be spiteful is certainly not doing a good job. Do those of us who want this company to thrive a favor and quit. My seniority number would sure appreciate it.
 
Ya'll should look up FAR 61.153 (c). Requirements for an ATP. If you ask me, slowing this mother down only screws the passengers who pay our salaries. We knew what we were getting into when we got hired here. Our union is supposed to be fighting these issues for us.

BTW... 61.153(c) An applicant for an Airline Transport Pilot certificate must be of good morale character.
 
EatinRamen said:
Ya'll should look up FAR 61.153 (c). Requirements for an ATP. If you ask me, slowing this mother down only screws the passengers who pay our salaries. We knew what we were getting into when we got hired here. Our union is supposed to be fighting these issues for us.

BTW... 61.153(c) An applicant for an Airline Transport Pilot certificate must be of good morale character.

clever - but that has no case law standing. Check your legal facts - This "good moral character" generally only applies to things such as drug convictions, or litigation against the pilot perhaps from a previous job in which he/she was convicted of fraud or something like that.

Flying fast so that your passengers are getting helped out has absolutely nothing to do with "good moral character." It is the ability for the FAA to deny certification to a felon or other convicted person.
 
atrdriver said:
Making the company do their job by fixing things and providing airworthy planes is something that should be done ALL THE TIME.

Unless you're willing to apply those same standards to the last leg of a 4 day when writing up the airplane for a nuisance item would make you miss your commute you're being hypocritical.
 

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