ASA should be happy about the Skywest thing...

[Bluto]

Homer... Please just shut up and go play somewhere else.

Respectfully.

AMEN!

 

[73belair]

Funny how a jokeing little post that I though would get like 3 replies has gone 3 pages and it only took 1 to start the bashing!

 

[bayoubandit]

I think I had HomerJ in the jumpseat the other day!

Having been through one aquisition, I don't ever want to see another. They suck!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

It's hardball, and the Skywest pilots need to know that if they want to staple us to the bottom of their list we will do everything in our power to make them pay for it.

Careful there, you could injure yourself jumping to conclusions. First of all any acquisition is purely speculation at this point. Secondly I haven't seen a single SkyWest pilot post anything about a staple.

Since SkyWest pilots are non-union and have no contract they have no control in the event of a merger. If there is proper language in the ASA contract integration would be done in accordance with the usual "Allegheny-Mohawk protocol" and life would go on. The last acquisition by SkyWest was in the 1980's and the lists were integrated fairly equitably, even though neither group was union. Although some less informed posters have made references to Westair being purchased by SkyWest it simply didn't happen.

 

[General Lee]

Rest assured, if you try to staple Comair and/or ASA your new purchase will be the biggest poison pill in your company's history. It likely will result in your bankruptsy so you better treat the people you "buy" right. Remember, an 89 day walkout parking less RJs than ASA has now cost 600M to 1B. How much cash does SkyWest have on hand? Are they willing to spend it to impress non union pilots who they do not have to impress? Doubt it.

Anything less than DOH between any combination of 2 or 3 of ASA, Comair and SkyWest will not be tolerated. And don't think an arbitrator will be impressed with your non binding "policy manual" or the fact that "by SkyWest" will be bumper stuck on all the planes. The fact remains that we (both) have binding contractual language and you don't. We bring more high paying equipment to the table (percentage wise and total) than you do, and you bring more lower paying equipment (E120) to the table than we (either) do.

No arbitrator is going to miss that. If you or your company decides to "play hardball" and screw us in a lame attempt to give your 2005 new hires more seniority than our 1980 new hires, you will get more than a "union drive". We could easily make the case to an arbitrator that you deserve less than date of hire because of your pay sacles and equipment. Oh and I almost forgot, the arbitrator exisits in the first place for us, not for you. They are obligated to give us "fair and equitable" and at the same time they owe you nothing.

So my advise is call your reps (or your 'serve at will' consultants or whatever you call them) and tell them to get used to a straight up DOH integration (with no domicile bumps or displacements for anyone) and call our reps and let's talk about it in a brotherly way. Or you can act arrogant because you think you have some kind of advantage because you are "the buying company". You can play those cards if you think that's wise, but IMO there is a better way.

Check out the threats!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Nindiri]

Yeah, next thing you know, somebody will be threatening to blackball them all from Delta.

 

[front9]

P38J, allow me to retort, are you threatening Skywest people to call their reps so "YOU" will have a good place on our seniority list? What makes you think I give a rats A$$ about you and how many months you spent at ASA? And what makes you think you're going to have a job here anyway?
If ASA was going to buy Skywest tomorrow (HAHAHA) I wouldn’t expect ASA to respect my DOH because ASA is buying us! That’s how the system works, if you don’t like it guess what - NOBODY CARES, especially Skywest management!!!
What would you say if I posted on this forum that ASA needs to treat Skywest pilots right or else. How about my 8 years with Skywest smoothly integrating with the ASA pilot seniority. You would tell me to go f*** y*** s**f and enjoy the view from the bottom.
So in conclusion, I can’t wait to interview you in SLC so I can show you the door and tell you to have a nice day...I know I will.

 

[atrdriver]

P38J, allow me to retort, are you threatening Skywest people to call their reps so "YOU" will have a good place on our seniority list? What makes you think I give a rats A$$ about you and how many months you spent at ASA? And what makes you think you're going to have a job here anyway?
If ASA was going to buy Skywest tomorrow (HAHAHA) I wouldn’t expect ASA to respect my DOH because ASA is buying us! That’s how the system works, if you don’t like it guess what - NOBODY CARES, especially Skywest management!!!
What would you say if I posted on this forum that ASA needs to treat Skywest pilots right or else. How about my 8 years with Skywest smoothly integrating with the ASA pilot seniority. You would tell me to go f*** y*** s**f and enjoy the view from the bottom.
So in conclusion, I can’t wait to interview you in SLC so I can show you the door and tell you to have a nice day...I know I will.

Actually ASA has contractual language that states that if you were acquired by us that management would have to merge you into out seniority list in a fair and equitable manner, and if that wasn't acceptable then in accordance with the Allegheny-Mohawk merger. If you don't know what the he11 you're talking about then keep it to yourself.

 

[homerjdispatch]

OK OK I was out of line...I am sorry...It just pisses me off when someone says if they dont get what they want they will DESTROY the company. Does anyone benefit from that?

I apologize to all the ASA pilots out there who just want to have a little knowledge of thier future. I would hate to be in your position right now.


bayoubandit- sorry wasn't me, I havent jumpseated on SkyWest for about 7 months.

 

[FlyComAirJets]

If I may interject a question into this little love fest, what economic incentive is there for an acquiring airline to uproot an established airline's seniority list which a staple would cause? IOW, would the training upheaval caused by a staple really offset SkyWest's slightly lower payrates?

On the other hand, there are certain savings benefits related to a single pilot list of some sort when multiple pilot groups are based at the same domicile, SLC for example. Just a thought...

Now, back to Round 3 of the Great B!tch Slap Fest.

 

[shamrock]

If ASA was going to buy Skywest tomorrow (HAHAHA) I wouldn’t expect ASA to respect my DOH because ASA is buying us!

I would if we bought you. Don't know what "system" you are referring to. In your example a seniority integration wouldn't benefit me as much as a staple would, but if that's what our merger policy is than so be it.

 

[buscap]

Gentleman,

This kind of talk started somewhere. Regardless of when and where, it must stop now.

Unity is the only option available to any pilot involved in this situation, Skywest, Comair or ASA, it doesn't matter. Whoever becomes mixed up in this mess. We all face great adverasity or career progression.

Acting together is our only hope.

BUSCAP

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, next thing you know, somebody will be threatening to blackball them all from Delta.

Is that a threat or promise? My eventual move is to voice my opinion that we should hire as many ASA and CHQ pilots as we can eventually since they helped our furloughs through a rough time. What is wrong with that? Have a problem with that?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ooops. Sorry. Love you...

 

[Bluto]

If ASA was going to buy Skywest tomorrow (HAHAHA) I wouldn’t expect ASA to respect my DOH because ASA is buying us! That’s how the system works, if you don’t like it guess what - NOBODY CARES, especially Skywest management!!!

So in conclusion, I can’t wait to interview you in SLC so I can show you the door and tell you to have a nice day...I know I will.

Front9 what are you talking about?! Seriously man, try to post sober from now on because you sound ridiculous. Take a few minutes and do some research and you should quickly learn that, in fact, your interesting little tirade is not at all how "the system" (whatever that means) works. Posts like these are the reason people look down on SkyWest pilots. After hearing what you have to say, I can't really blame them. Fortunately, I know the vast majority of SkyWest pilots disagree with your thinking.

I sincerely hope, for SkyWest's sake, that the people doing the interviews are more mature and level-headed than your post indicates.

 

[michael707767]

I'm retired military and wasn't much on uniforms and the rules that go along with them. However, the one thing we did that made sense to was to always remove our "cover" when inside a building.

I don't know the history, so could someone tell me where the tradition of an airline pilot wearing a hat inside the terminal comes from? Always thought it was odd.

I agree with you. I am former military and grew up in a very southern household where good manners were expected. Used to get in deep doo-doo if I did not take off my hat inside. I don't mind the hat, but indoors is not appropriate.

 

[Bako Cap]

Just a quick question:

With all this talk about ASA forcing SkyWest to intergrate seniority (if there is a purchase), Why aren't the ASA and Comair pilots intergrated with the Delta pilots?

It's OK, I already know the answer, "Gotta keep 'em seperated."

There will be no intergration between any of the regionals, just whipsaw......