ASA should be happy about the Skywest thing...

[73belair]

After all, hats are optional there.

 

[711-24-7]

Finally something to look forward to, Other than I get to get out of Atlanta and move to west Coast. I cant wait to get out of ATL.

 

[ohplease!]

$2 more an hour and no union to cause trouble and pay dues to for nothing? count me in! Plus I can live in UT or CO.

 

[Smoked Toilet]

correction....


hats are PROHIBITED

 

[Baze]

IMHO, the hats optional thing was a big mistake. I think it has led to more of our pilots looking dumpy.

I'm neither former military nor a uniform nazi. But, I think the uniform should be worn properly.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Yank McCobb]

Then put on your hat Captain, and come to order.

After which you can worry about yourself and mind your own business.

Or, you could achieve a status worthy of such a fine professional and change the policy.

The sky is the limit for airmen such as yourself.

 

[Truckdriver]

XJT just went hats off this year and we sure do have a few fellas that look like they just came from their trailer in the infield at Talladega after the Southern 500. Some have hats on, some don't. Some have leather jackets, some don't. I saw a guy the other day with faded slacks that were almost gray, an un-ironed shirt with his tie loosened up, shoes that looked like he had walked coast to coast for a cancer benefit in, no hat with some serious bed head going on, and a leather jacked that looked like he got it from a WWI vet. There are like 16 different uniform combinations now and some guys should just be forced to wear a uniform with a hat.

 

[711-24-7]

I wonder howz that Uniform Nazi who transfer from DFW to SLC doing? You guys know who I am talking about.

 

[wms]

I doubt SW will buy ASA and/or CA. But if they do it doesn't mean we still won't be needed in ATL. The operation in ATL will continue. But better pay, work rules and mgmt sounds good to me. Not to mention the hat thing.

 

[CF34-3B1]

I doubt SW will buy ASA and/or CA. But if they do it doesn't mean we still won't be needed in ATL. The operation in ATL will continue. But better pay, work rules and mgmt sounds good to me. Not to mention the hat thing.

Now if we can just get some Skywest FAs in ATL.......

<sigh>

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I doubt SW will buy ASA and/or CA. But if they do it doesn't mean we still won't be needed in ATL. The operation in ATL will continue. But better pay, work rules and mgmt sounds good to me. Not to mention the hat thing.

And don't forget less attractive pass benefits, no ALPA protection against a staple instead of a DOH merger, two (or three) pilot groups who are bound to be mad at each other about something (seniority issues most likely), AND the comforting knowledge that what little protection being a wholly-owned gave you against a bidding war with Chautauqua for Mother D's table scraps is now gone.

But hey, no hat!!! Sign me up. Jeez.

 

[Traderd]

IMHO, the hats optional thing was a big mistake. I think it has led to more of our pilots looking dumpy.

I'm neither former military nor a uniform nazi. But, I think the uniform should be worn properly.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I'm retired military and wasn't much on uniforms and the rules that go along with them. However, the one thing we did that made sense to was to always remove our "cover" when inside a building.

I don't know the history, so could someone tell me where the tradition of an airline pilot wearing a hat inside the terminal comes from? Always thought it was odd.

 

[Old Crow]

I know most carry the notion that "Delta will never dissolve". Well folks, Delta will eventually run out of money and I'd rather not be a wholly owned when that time comes... Cut us loose Gerald!

 

[wms]

I know most carry the notion that "Delta will never dissolve". Well folks, Delta will eventually run out of money and I'd rather not be a wholly owned when that time comes... Cut us loose Gerald!

All being in a wholly-owned has done is allowed ML micro-manage us in the worst way, coercing our mgmts to gouge and whip-saw us. And it's gotten worse with GG. And SKW wouldn't stay union-free with 3000 ALPA pilots coming over.

 

[Tim47SIP]

No Way!

If being sold means moving to the bottom of Skywests list, count me out. I aint goin!

 

[BigDave]

XJT just went hats off this year and we sure do have a few fellas that look like they just came from their trailer in the infield at Talladega after the Southern 500. Some have hats on, some don't. Some have leather jackets, some don't. I saw a guy the other day with faded slacks that were almost gray, an un-ironed shirt with his tie loosened up, shoes that looked like he had walked coast to coast for a cancer benefit in, no hat with some serious bed head going on, and a leather jacked that looked like he got it from a WWI vet. There are like 16 different uniform combinations now and some guys should just be forced to wear a uniform with a hat.

Lighten up Francis, hats suck.

EWR scum pilots are taking over baby!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

If being sold means moving to the bottom of Skywests list, count me out. I aint goin!

Actually, I think we should all go, then stage a mass walkout on the same day at a predetermined time in the future. If we refuse to go right off the bat, that gives Skywest an opportunity to train replacements before taking on assets. A mass walkout, say, one month after a staple would probably be enough to destroy the company.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Actually, I think we should all go, then stage a mass walkout on the same day at a predetermined time in the future. If we refuse to go right off the bat, that gives Skywest an opportunity to train replacements before taking on assets. A mass walkout, say, one month after a staple would probably be enough to destroy the company.

yeah that makes a lot of sense...destroy the company....thats the STUPID UNION MENTALITY that turns people away from unions....."IF WE DONT GET WHAT WE WANT WE DESTROY THE COMPANY" Ive heard pre-schoolers use better rationale!!!!


Thats why ASA sucks!!

 

[propsarebest]

yeah that makes a lot of sense...destroy the company....no wonder ASA sucks!!!

ASA DOES SUCK!
but i feel for you guys, having to fly around all day in those poor french piece of crap things, being stuck in poor cat ONE rj's and having to fly outta mecca. When we eventually buy out, you'll get to see what a REAL airline is like.


peace in the middle east!

 

[hmmurdock]

ASA DOES SUCK!
but i feel for you guys, having to fly around all day in those poor french piece of crap things, being stuck in poor cat ONE rj's and having to fly outta mecca. When we eventually buy out, you'll get to see what a REAL airline is like.


peace in the middle east!

"I know you are but what am I"


Anyway, Some other posters talk about the pay at Skywest. It is no better than ours is now. Plus, I agree with what the other poster said about the unions. If we come over, Skywest will eventually be union. It will be unavoidable as there are enough pilots there that are already talking about the day they will be union.

Take care

Rob

 

[propsarebest]

"I know you are but what am I"


Anyway, Some other posters talk about the pay at Skywest. It is no better than ours is now. Plus, I agree with what the other poster said about the unions. If we come over, Skywest will eventually be union. It will be unavoidable as there are enough pilots there that are already talking about the day they will be union.

Take care

Rob

I HUMBLY APOLIGIZE FOR THAT UNCOMMANDED OUTBURST ON MY PART. I HOVE NO PROBLEM WITH ASA, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SOME COOL @$$ 70 SEATERS, AND YOU GET TO FLY TO NEAT PLACES LIKE HILTON HEAD AND WE DON'T. BUT HEY, AT LEAST WE GET TO GO TO RENO.

dayum caps lock

 

[homerjdispatch]

I HUMBLY APOLIGIZE FOR THAT UNCOMMANDED OUTBURST ON MY PART. I HOVE NO PROBLEM WITH ASA, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SOME COOL @$$ 70 SEATERS, AND YOU GET TO FLY TO NEAT PLACES LIKE HILTON HEAD AND WE DON'T. BUT HEY, AT LEAST WE GET TO GO TO RENO.

dayum caps lock

Ha Ha HA RENO!!! Isnt that the airport that ASA couldnt fly to because it wasn't in thier opscecs when they were supposed to start service? Or was it because they weren't authorized for the ILS approach and needed something like 4 miles to get in? You think that type of thing would be worked out BEFORE you are scheduled to start service to the airport!
Good thing SkyWest was there to save the day!

 

[starshipdrvr]

Homer,

As a fellow SkyWest pilot, all I can say is you are an absolute fool my friend. Your posts do nothing for SkyWest or anyone else for that matter. If you can't say something nice, then shut the F**K up!!

Thank you

 

[FmrFreightDog]

yeah that makes a lot of sense...destroy the company....thats the STUPID UNION MENTALITY that turns people away from unions....."IF WE DONT GET WHAT WE WANT WE DESTROY THE COMPANY" Ive heard pre-schoolers use better rational!!!!


Thats why ASA sucks!!

Nope, not at all. It's really more simple than all that. It's not the union mentality. It's the F--k me, I'll f--k you right back mentality. It's hardball, and the Skywest pilots need to know that if they want to staple us to the bottom of their list we will do everything in our power to make them pay for it.

And by the way, the word is rationale. Learn to spell before suggesting that I have then intelligence of a pre-schooler, you idiot.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Nope, not at all. It's really more simple than all that. It's not the union mentality. It's the F--k me, I'll f--k you right back mentality. It's hardball, and the Skywest pilots need to know that if they want to staple us to the bottom of their list we will do everything in our power to make them pay for it.

And by the way, the word is rationale. Learn to spell before suggesting that I have then intelligence of a pre-schooler, you idiot.

Thanks for the spelling lesson. I missed one LETTER in Rationale. Some people!

Uhhh YEAH SKYWEST GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY EMPLOYED AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS FIND A REASON TO SCREW THEM! I hope SkyWest is smart enough to FIRE all ASA employees, reinterview them, and hire the ones who will be TEAM players. Not Jack Asses like yourself.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Thanks for the spelling lesson. I missed one LETTER in Rationale. Some people!

Uhhh YEAH SKYWEST GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY EMPLOYED AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS FIND A REASON TO SCREW THEM! I hope SkyWest is smart enough to FIRE all ASA employees, reinterview them, and hire the ones who will be TEAM players. Not Jack Asses like yourself.

Opportunity? Please. Man, I tell ya, if you're the type of guy who works for Skywest, I just can't wait to come aboard. As for team players, if your idea of a team player is someone who is willing to roll over and accept losing all seniority, you won't find any team players here.

Good luck staying in business with 140 airframes sitting idle.

 

[atrdriver]

YEAH SKYWEST GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY EMPLOYED AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS FIND A REASON TO SCREW THEM! I hope SkyWest is smart enough to FIRE all ASA employees, reinterview them, and hire the ones who will be TEAM players. Not Jack Asses like yourself.

Get a life idiot. We're not anywhere close to not being employed, and SKY isn't doing anything to help us stay employed. But if that's your argument, I bet you'd help the ASA pilots like AA "helped" the TWA pilots. And we all know how their efforts to "help them stay employed" worked out. I'll pass, thanks.

 

[P38JLightning]

it makes perfect sense

yeah that makes a lot of sense...destroy the company....thats the STUPID UNION MENTALITY that turns people away from unions....."IF WE DONT GET WHAT WE WANT WE DESTROY THE COMPANY" Ive heard pre-schoolers use better rationale!!!!


Thats why ASA sucks!!

Rest assured, if you try to staple Comair and/or ASA your new purchase will be the biggest poison pill in your company's history. It likely will result in your bankruptsy so you better treat the people you "buy" right. Remember, an 89 day walkout parking less RJs than ASA has now cost 600M to 1B. How much cash does SkyWest have on hand? Are they willing to spend it to impress non union pilots who they do not have to impress? Doubt it.

Anything less than DOH between any combination of 2 or 3 of ASA, Comair and SkyWest will not be tolerated. And don't think an arbitrator will be impressed with your non binding "policy manual" or the fact that "by SkyWest" will be bumper stuck on all the planes. The fact remains that we (both) have binding contractual language and you don't. We bring more high paying equipment to the table (percentage wise and total) than you do, and you bring more lower paying equipment (E120) to the table than we (either) do.

No arbitrator is going to miss that. If you or your company decides to "play hardball" and screw us in a lame attempt to give your 2005 new hires more seniority than our 1980 new hires, you will get more than a "union drive". We could easily make the case to an arbitrator that you deserve less than date of hire because of your pay sacles and equipment. Oh and I almost forgot, the arbitrator exisits in the first place for us, not for you. They are obligated to give us "fair and equitable" and at the same time they owe you nothing.

So my advise is call your reps (or your 'serve at will' consultants or whatever you call them) and tell them to get used to a straight up DOH integration (with no domicile bumps or displacements for anyone) and call our reps and let's talk about it in a brotherly way. Or you can act arrogant because you think you have some kind of advantage because you are "the buying company". You can play those cards if you think that's wise, but IMO there is a better way.

 

[starshipdrvr]

Ok P38,

For one thing, I don't think Homer speaks for SkyWest pilots, he's a dispatcher who likes to stir up anger among pilots. Don't listen to him, he's a bit bitter about life, maybe he's a failed pilot, I don't know.

For one thing, I don't know how much SkyWest management will want to deal with all of this, I don't see the deal ever going through for all the reasons you've already put forth. SkyWest doesn't want to step into a hornet's nest which is what this would be. I see this whole deal being a desperation plan on the part of Big D to raise cash and I don't think SkyWest will buy it. Even if we did, I doubt that SkyWest would merge seniority lists, why open that up when you don't have to. As a pilot group we attempted to get a clause in our "policy" manual saying that all SkyWest airplanes will be flown by pilot's on the SkyWest seniority list and management shot that down and was unwilling to even discuss it and being non-union we had to buy that. Just my thoughts on the whole matter.

Homer, as I've already said, you are a fool. I don't know why you get off on spouting off with your big mouth, but as a SkyWest employee, I'm telling you it doesn't help anything. As a non-union SkyWest pilot, I would feel very much like the ASA pilots do if anyone talked about stapling me to the bottom and I think that my feelings would be reflected throughout the 1974 pilots that are proud to be on SkyWest's seniority list. We as a pilot group would probably finally get some unity and would probably shut the airline down. Do you expect any employee who has substantial time with a company to be happy about losing his/her seniority? Please just shut up and go play somewhere else.

Respectfully.

 

[viper01]

Starshipdrvr,
Well said