ASA S3C Pass benefits?

[tuna pimp]

You are correct about Delta and the cabin seats. And just to let you know, I own the 3rd seat in the cockpit. Remember that when the back is full.

PS - I don't commute.

yup, you're right about that. Not that my little glider's licence will ever get me anywhere near that jumpseat. I work in the GO; not with our pilot group.

 

[tuna pimp]

Now you're starting to piss me off....

It may be a product that was bought and paid for entirely by Delta Air Lines, but it is subsidized by the people working for low wages at ASA.

Now quit it! Don't make me have to go back on medication!

I don't want to piss you off, Papa. Your previous post made some good points. Guess it's double-edged sword. Those lower wages also allowed the regional airline industry to mushroom over the past 10 years and got many, many pilots into CRJs who 15-20 years ago would have been flying Twin Otters in Alaska until they were 30.

Wages are low at ASA because that's what the market will permit airlines to pay for labor. Supply and demand. ASA's wage rates are pretty much in line with the other regionals, no? And salaries are dropping at every airline, both inside and outside of the flightdeck. $199 JFK-LAX is a good thing for customers. Not so good for airline employees who's hyde these fares are taken out of.

 

[DAL737FO]

I really don't know why there is such an outrage about these pass privledges. ASA was a wholly owned airline of Delta air lines and as such had DOH pass privledges just like Comair for non rev purposes. At the same time if you tried to fly on SkyWest you would have been an S3C status just like me as a mainline pilot. Now ASA is owned by SkyWest, not Delta, I would think that you would have DOH pass privledges on SkyWest and S3C on Delta now. Why would you think that you would have anything else? Not trying to throw salt in a wound but really want to know why you would keep the same pass privledges as Comair but not be wholly owned?

Here's a different slant, say you worked for UPS and had free shipping on UPS and a 25% discount at DHL and DHL employees get free shipping on DHL and a 25% discount at UPS. The next year you start to work for DHL but you still want the free shipping at UPS not the 25% discount the rest of the DHL employees get. Do you see that happening?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

DAL737FO,

I think the problem is not so much with having S3Cs. That much I can understand. The issue we as ASA pilots have is Delta employees having S3 priviledges on ASA flights. It seems a bit one sided that we are to be treated as second-class on your airline while you are treated like equals on ours. I think it's going to make for some hard feelings, as if there's not enough of those to go around already.

 

[SKYMASTER]

Dear G.O.(tuna pimp)-
Wake up the kool-aid makers for some java coffee. UPS and FEDEX flight officer salaries are going up. We make billions of dollars in profit a year. We do this with 3-man crews flying DC-8's no less. Our secret? Charging more than the cost of the service. A lot of Americans learn that by going to college.

As for the passenger "airLines," the young CRJ captains are a direct result of the airlines miserable management failures.
-In the 90's, 80's and previous, you could fly 5-10 years civi or military and get on with THE airLine. In an effort to have the airlines appeal to shareholders, management finds a way around scope, sacrificing their own assurance of quality and service, and starts farming out the flying to the RJ. Exec manag., who could care less about his company, puts their 5 yrs. in and splits with millions. Who cares about the long term numbers? Completely criminal.

ARE YOU TELLING ME THE RJ MADE THINGS BETTER? If you thing I'm wrong,
then it must be pure coincidence that everyone is bankrupt and miserable.

Black and white, the RJ is a terrible failure. Despite cheap labor, the seat mile cost is horrific. It only worked to avoid the mainline pilot and to "clean up the books."

If they really needed it, I'm sure all pilots and customers would have been fine with more jobs available at the AirLine and not Connection/Express. Life is terrible at a regional (commuter) airline.
I MEAN IT WHEN I SAY AIRPORT MANAGEMENT, THE FAA, THE AIRLINES; THEY'RE ALL CHEATS AND LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell that to your buddies in the
G.O.
p.s. JFK-LAX is a terrible example. Practically
every other fare is at least $500-$1000 regardless of being either
500 miles or 3000 miles.

 

[DAL737FO]

DAL737FO,

I think the problem is not so much with having S3Cs. That much I can understand. The issue we as ASA pilots have is Delta employees having S3 priviledges on ASA flights. It seems a bit one sided that we are to be treated as second-class on your airline while you are treated like equals on ours. I think it's going to make for some hard feelings, as if there's not enough of those to go around already.

Unless you've seen something that I haven't, we will be S3C on ASA just like we are S3C on SkyWest. I have heard nothing to indicate that Delta employees will continue to receive S3 priority on ASA. I've seen a couple of posts about the arrogance of the mainline guys for pushing for this and I'm here to tell you that we have bigger fish to fry than to worry about pass priorities on ASA.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Unless you've seen something that I haven't, we will be S3C on ASA just like we are S3C on SkyWest. I have heard nothing to indicate that Delta employees will continue to receive S3 priority on ASA. I've seen a couple of posts about the arrogance of the mainline guys for pushing for this and I'm here to tell you that we have bigger fish to fry than to worry about pass priorities on ASA.

Word around the campfire on the ASA side of the house is that you WILL have S3s on ASA. If that's the case, I think it's a bunch of crap.

 

[RichO]

I've commuted to CVG from the west coast for 3 years now. The ability to bid good days to work makes a huge difference so I've been able to commute on good commuting days. I have traveled around and have seen times where I've had to use a S2 and then was the only non-rev to get on board. However, most of the time, the only difference is(if you are able to select resonable flights) is whether or not your in First/Business or back in the cattle car.

Now, if you start to take a look at the NEW Delta schedules starting in Dec, maybe you'll start to freak a little. Less flights, smaller airplanes, commuting on a S3C could be pretty painful.

 

[Cardenal]

I really don't know why there is such an outrage about these pass privledges. ASA was a wholly owned airline of Delta air lines and as such had DOH pass privledges just like Comair for non rev purposes. At the same time if you tried to fly on SkyWest you would have been an S3C status just like me as a mainline pilot. Now ASA is owned by SkyWest, not Delta, I would think that you would have DOH pass privledges on SkyWest and S3C on Delta now. Why would you think that you would have anything else? Not trying to throw salt in a wound but really want to know why you would keep the same pass privledges as Comair but not be wholly owned?

Here's a different slant, say you worked for UPS and had free shipping on UPS and a 25% discount at DHL and DHL employees get free shipping on DHL and a 25% discount at UPS. The next year you start to work for DHL but you still want the free shipping at UPS not the 25% discount the rest of the DHL employees get. Do you see that happening?

Actually, there IS a precedent (or so I've been told--don't know it first hand). My Alzheimer's is acting up today but DAL owned something called "world something or other", sold it and the employees kept their travel benefits. I am sorry I don't know the exact reference but yes, there is a precedent.

Does anyone know to what I am trying to refer?

Thanks.

And though you all may be technically correct, I stand by my point that this mean, selfish, selfserving, cold, and unfair. I like being nice to people and being treated nicely in return...is that too much to ask?

 

[sweptback]

Actually, there IS a precedent (or so I've been told--don't know it first hand). My Alzheimer's is acting up today but DAL owned something called "world something or other", sold it and the employees kept their travel benefits. I am sorry I don't know the exact reference but yes, there is a precedent.

Does anyone know to what I am trying to refer?

Thanks.

And though you all may be technically correct, I stand by my point that this mean, selfish, selfserving, cold, and unfair. I like being nice to people and being treated nicely in return...is that too much to ask?

Worldspan.

As I recall all employees on property the day they were spun off kept their travel benefits, and all new employees received the S3C special. Seems pretty fair to me.