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ASA Rumor of (19 GECAS) CRJ Deliveries

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Rumor has it that there are 19 GECAS CRJ's being painted in ASA livery in New Iberia, LA. Supposedly IP's at ASA were recently ferrying them there for the paint jobs.

Anyone else heard anything about this?

I know that our "doom and gloom" management would NOT want to know about this if it is indeed true............
 
I talked with a check airman that had just picked up one and was taking it to Macon for the check. The number I got was a bit higher than 19 and closer to 30.

But who really knows? Only the folks in the Puzzle Palace and they don't talk much.
 
50-seat planes for 50-seat pay!

I'd rather fly more seats for free---I'm a Skywest pilot!
 
Rumor has it that there are 19 GECAS CRJ's being painted in ASA livery in New Iberia, LA. Supposedly IP's at ASA were recently ferrying them there for the paint jobs.

Anyone else heard anything about this?



Impressions gained during RGT last week lead me to believe there is a great deal of truth to this rumor.

One thing I do not buy is the premise that Skywest Holdings purchased ASA in order to transfer flying and equipment to Skywest Airlines. Many on this forum promote that idea and I believe they are totally incorrect.
 
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Maybe they are to replace all of the 70's that we have/are going to lose to SKW.

Heard that 702EV has gone west.

I've heard all the N***BR planes we have so far are some of the replacements for the 70's so SKYW doesnt run into that whole "transfer of assets" deal.
 
It's absolutely true. They have been picking the airplanes up in BTV (flown there from YUL by Bombardier people). Then taking them to New Iberia for paint. Then on to Macon. Confirmed by some individuals in flight standards and the jumpseaters (flight standards guys) flying to LFT last month.
 
To mirror someone else's reply, so why exactly are they displacing people to the ATR which is going away soon?

They're going to spend probably over 100 grand to train people on it with a type rating, only to have them back on the CRJ again in 3-4 months.

It would sure be nice if someone could actually take the helm at ASA and steer the ship........
 
So when are we supposed to see these alleged airplanes?
 
I would bet these a/c are to replace the CR7 more than the ATR. It would make more sense to hang on to the ATR until a prop replacement is on property. Like someone else stated, why displace these guys to an a/c that will be gone a few months after the type ride?:cool:
 
I would bet these a/c are to replace the CR7 more than the ATR. It would make more sense to hang on to the ATR until a prop replacement is on property. Like someone else stated, why displace these guys to an a/c that will be gone a few months after the type ride?:cool:

I just a fellow pilot tell me that he flew some of the ASA head honchos up to KYUL. What's up wid dat? Q-400 anyone?
 
simply uncalled for.

Why was that uncalled for? They are flying 70 and 76 seat airplanes for 50 seat pay. He was simply pointing it out.
 
The Lease is up on the ATR's in june or july of 07, I doubt Delta wants to renew the lease.

Im still not convinced that we are losing all 70's, they keep investing money into them with ACARS and overwater certifications.


I think they felt confident they could have a contract by now, and they are having a time keeping the lid on things like GROWTH.

Bottom line, know one on here has the crystal ball with all the answers and we have had a rough year, but the tides may be changing.

Anybody read the article in USA today about the profits and upcoming pilot contracts from the big players. Not that it was accurate or anything.

Not to mention the price of oil is below $60 and the airlines are making money with it above $70. Thats big money. But, like the article said, we are only one terrorist attack away from being right back where we were.

Medeco
 
Why was that uncalled for? They are flying 70 and 76 seat airplanes for 50 seat pay. He was simply pointing it out.

I'm all for pushing for higher wages, but why do you not consider it a blended rate? Last I checked SKW FO rates were higher than RAH, Mesa, and HoJets 70 seat rates.
 
Why was that uncalled for? They are flying 70 and 76 seat airplanes for 50 seat pay. He was simply pointing it out.


Compared to my last airline and several others, skw is actually flying 50 seaters for 70 seat pay. Remember skw hourly rates are only part of the compensation...if you pull those off the internet and compare them with say, mesa, you are ignorant at best...
 
Compared to my last airline and several others, skw is actually flying 50 seaters for 70 seat pay. Remember skw hourly rates are only part of the compensation...if you pull those off the internet and compare them with say, mesa, you are ignorant at best...


This is the quote of the year and all of you skywest pilots should place it on your flight kits as a sticker...

You get duped into agreeing to fly 70 seaters for the 50 seat rate. You go back to Atkins and tell him "Hey, you said this was only a 2 year deal.... we want to talk a new 70 rate" Atkin says "Sorry boys, I'm busy counting our industry leading profit"

So what should you do now?? Like rickair said, pull a 1984 and rewrite history in your minds and suggest that you didn't get screwed.

Way to go. You couldn't raise the bar, so you made up a fictitious one.
 
I'm all for pushing for higher wages, but why do you not consider it a blended rate?

The rates were negotiated for 50 seat aircraft, then were applied to larger gauge aircraft as well. This is not the same as a true blended rate where a wage is negotiated for all aircraft on property.
 
To mirror someone else's reply, so why exactly are they displacing people to the ATR which is going away soon?

They're going to spend probably over 100 grand to train people on it with a type rating, only to have them back on the CRJ again in 3-4 months.

It would sure be nice if someone could actually take the helm at ASA and steer the ship........



I don't see it costing nearly that much. The IP's are going to be paid
regardless and the sim has already been paid for. Over all It sounds like a cheap way to scare the jr folks into a deal for Bryan.
 
Hmmm, I smell Q-400 by early next year. As for the low oil prices- watch what happens after the elections are over. I bet it creeps right back up due to speculation. This has nothing to do with pro Democrat or Republican, it's just going to be a part of the game- watch!
 
I don't see it costing nearly that much. The IP's are going to be paid
regardless and the sim has already been paid for. Over all It sounds like a cheap way to scare the jr folks into a deal for Bryan.


And what about the pilots who are not flying for 2 1/2 months but still getting guarantee? Isn't there a cost associated with that?
 
This is the quote of the year and all of you skywest pilots should place it on your flight kits as a sticker...

You get duped into agreeing to fly 70 seaters for the 50 seat rate. You go back to Atkins and tell him "Hey, you said this was only a 2 year deal.... we want to talk a new 70 rate" Atkin says "Sorry boys, I'm busy counting our industry leading profit"

So what should you do now?? Like rickair said, pull a 1984 and rewrite history in your minds and suggest that you didn't get screwed.

Way to go. You couldn't raise the bar, so you made up a fictitious one.

Compared to many other regionals (including almost all of the ones in the western US) SKW 50 rates are better than most 70 rates. Don't forget the work rules and bonuses...I didn't come to SKW for the hourly scale, I came for the w-2 and I made d&mn sure I knew what I was getting into.

With that being said I am in favor of 70 and 90 seat rates at SKW, but don't try to pretend that we are undercutting the industry, we get compensated just fine. Our current success justifies even more, and that will come one way or another, and probably soon. If the company stalls too much longer, then they will likely get "alpa on board"
 
Compared to many other regionals (including almost all of the ones in the western US) SKW 50 rates are better than most 70 rates.

Hmm, just doing a quick search at airlinepilotcentral.com, comparing 5 and 10 year captain rates, the only company that pays less in the 70-seater is Mesa.
 
Hmmm, I smell Q-400 by early next year. As for the low oil prices- watch what happens after the elections are over. I bet it creeps right back up due to speculation. This has nothing to do with pro Democrat or Republican, it's just going to be a part of the game- watch!

Are you suggesting that the politics control gas prices?

If you in fact are, I would ask you if your familiar with the OPEC cartel?


WIKIPEDIA

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is a cartel made up of Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela; since 1965 its international headquarters have been in Vienna, Austria.
The principal aim of the Organization, according to its Statute, is "the coordination and unification of the petroleum policies of its member countries and the determination of the best means for safeguarding their interests, individually and collectively; devising ways and means of ensuring the stabilization of prices in international oil markets with a view to eliminating harmful and unnecessary fluctuations; giving due regard at all times to the interests of the producing nations and to the necessity of securing a steady income to the producing countries; an efficient, economic and regular supply of petroleum to consuming nations, and a fair return on their capital to those investing in the petroleum industry."[1]
OPEC's influence on the market has not always been a stabilizing one, however. It alarmed the world and triggered high inflation across both the developing and developed world through its use of the oil weapon in the 1973 oil crisis. Its ability to control the price of oil has diminished greatly since its heyday, following the much-expanded development of the Gulf of Mexico, the North Sea, and the growing fluidity of the market. However, OPEC still has considerable impact on the price of oil. It is still commonly used as a textbook example of a cartel.
 
The question was asked of SH last week in RGT and he said we were getting 2 of these. Take it for what its worth.
 

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