ASA....RES on REL line

[Roxalana]

I got a REL line for september and when my final schedule came out yesterday it has 7 days of RES on it.
This is crap!!!!!!

 

[FishandFly]

you should be thankful that you have a job as an airline pilot. Quit if you don't like it!




































Just kidding. This place sucks. That is actually normal though. I know one guy who had a relief line a couple years ago that they forgot to add reserve days to. He ended up with something like 25 days off on the final schedule.

 

[ILS8L]

Like F&F said, 7 is not bad, I've seen them as bad as putting only one or two trips on a REL line and then the rest of the month is RES. So bidding REL can be a total crapshoot, can be good can be like a RES line with no golden days. On the plus side you may be able to trade some or all of your RES days for trips in open time.

 

[FishandFly]

I was thinking. Are they able to change your days off once you get your final relief line like they are when you have a reserve line?

 

[Airboss]

Im flying with a 23 year captain who got INTEGRATED! HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I was thinking. Are they able to change your days off once you get your final relief line like they are when you have a reserve line?

No! You are treated as a line holder now. You still have a 2 hour callout on your reserve days, but if you get a trip that overnights somewhere and you come home on a scheduled off day, then you have been junior-assigned and get 1.5X pay.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Im flying with a 23 year captain who got INTEGRATED! HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

Some things never change. Years ago there was a very senior Brasilia capt who got integrated for the infamous GTR-AEX nap.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Some things never change. Years ago there was a very senior Brasilia capt who got integrated for the infamous GTR-AEX nap.

Yes and the day before there was a very senior Captain who called in sick for the GTR-AEX nap that showed up on his schedule.

Four weeks of vacation, four occurrences before discipline, checkride and redundant training, any correlation?

You can knock out two 4 days with a carefully planned vacation. You can knock out a 4 day with a carefully planned sick call. Do the math.

JAN
<Vac 1>
FEB
<Sick 1>
MAR
<Vac 2>
APR
<Sick 2>
JUN
<Vac 3>
JUL
<Sick 3>
AUG
<VAC 4>
SEP
<SICK 4>
NOV
<Training - checkride>
DEC

Just kidding - sort of. They need to get your pilots a contract.

 

[bailout]

if you only got 7 days of RES you are lucky. There are many with 10+ days of RES.

 

[shamrock]

if you only got 7 days of RES you are lucky. There are many with 10+ days of RES.

Don't ya just love advice from someone who doesn't even work at ASA?

 

[McNugent]

I got a REL line for september and when my final schedule came out yesterday it has 7 days of RES on it.
This is crap!!!!!!

My first REL line had one day line and the rest was reserve. 10 days off...Kinda jacked up. What would you expect though, didn't the captains have like 66 relief lines?!? What gives?

 

[zawillif]

My first REL line had one day line and the rest was reserve. 10 days off...Kinda jacked up. What would you expect though, didn't the captains have like 66 relief lines?!? What gives?

I know Nuge, these kids weren't here in the old days. They think 1 month on reserve and 1 month on relief is paying their dues. Meanwhile they still don't know enough to actually clean up after themselves in the cockpit, or put up sunshades for that matter.

 

[sweptback]

My first REL line had one day line and the rest was reserve. 10 days off...Kinda jacked up. What would you expect though, didn't the captains have like 66 relief lines?!? What gives?

That's actually a good thing. You can swap RES days for trips in open time, and if you do get stuck with a RES day, there are plenty of ways to game the system. Remember, you're a lineholder, so the first call on reserve sets your footprint for the day. If scheduling has something for you when you get back, that's an extension and you get 150% for it. Also, lineholders never call scheduling after their trips are over, if you get my drift...

 

[McNugent]

That's actually a good thing. You can swap RES days for trips in open time, and if you do get stuck with a RES day, there are plenty of ways to game the system. Remember, you're a lineholder, so the first call on reserve sets your footprint for the day. If scheduling has something for you when you get back, that's an extension and you get 150% for it. Also, lineholders never call scheduling after their trips are over, if you get my drift...

Yeah at least with REL you have options, but when this happened it sucked. At the time we were fat on pilots and all I was doing was the crap stuff ie. operate a flight out somewhere just to deadhead back, lots of MCN appreciation time etc... I'm sure it's a diffrerent story now though.

The best bet on REL is to know the contract, make sure you get every penny you deserve, and not let scheduling jerk you around because you are niave.

 

[av8er2]

You know what to do.

Wait, no you don't because the ASA pilots have not done anything but get walked on.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

If scheduling has something for you when you get back, that's an extension and you get 150% for it. Also, lineholders never call scheduling after their trips are over, if you get my drift...

A buddy of mine didn't call after a RES assignment (he was on a REL line that month), and he was given an Unavailable on Reserve. He had to see a CP, etc. etc.

Be careful.

 

[StrykerFL]

My first relief line last year had 1 nap and the rest was reserve 19 days. 7 days of reserve isn't that bad.

 

[bailout]

Don't ya just love advice from someone who doesn't even work at ASA?

The scary thing is I know more about ASA now than I did when I was there.

 

[Medeco]

I got a REL line for september and when my final schedule came out yesterday it has 7 days of RES on it.
This is crap!!!!!!

Just curious how long you've worked here?

7 days on a relief line is nothing new. Maybe, it hasent been that way with the summer schedule, but we are with 6000hrs less of block time for Sep.

Medeco

 

[Redan]

If it makes you feel any better: many of the newly upgraded captains at about 4.5 years longevity, spent nearly 2 years on reserve as FOs. Now they're going back on reserve as captains.

PS: if I'm on a REL line with a reserve day, I'm still a line holder, there's no way in hale I'm calling Skeds after my trip. If they'd like to give me an Unavailable On Reserve they can just go right on ahead. Then I'll be as happy as a clam to talk to a chief pilot...at my leisure. If they'd like to try to discipline or fire me, they can also go right ahead. My lawyer will be foaming at the mouth.