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ASA President says crj 900's by August

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Medeco said:
He also laughed when he heard that the Continental deal was done, and said he had not even met the Continental people yet, but that we had bid for the work.


Medeco

That's funny, Flight Safety in ATL is receiving one EMB-145 Sim this month & one more next month. I guess we'll be sharing the morning bagels & fruit with MESA pilots when they come here to train.
 
Question for GL...will you vote yes for any TA? I'm beginning to think that if they returned you to 2003 pay rates you would not just say no but HELL NO.
 
FixNFly said:
That's funny, Flight Safety in ATL is receiving one EMB-145 Sim this month & one more next month. I guess we'll be sharing the morning bagels & fruit with MESA pilots when they come here to train.

That's for the Chautauqua base in ATL, silly.
 
Like it or not, that’s what’s coming down the pike no matter how much we fight it. Regions pay will eventually come on line but fighting what the market wants is a losing battle no matter how we look at it. The unions and management have been operating as though they are still regulated and now we, the pilot group, are suffering the consequences. Takes a long time to turn a ship this big but eventually the market will win whether we like it or not.

Regional "airlines" used to be what? Nothing but little prop jobs hopping short and they've have become anything but. The fact needs to be faced that we lost this fight a long time ago when the government stepped in to save the airlines. All the pieces where in place even then.

I'd just like to see these golden parachutes gone. It appears very close to racketeering to me. Maybe it will force these jokers up there to negotiate honestly instead of promising big retirement checks and then going to court and erasing their fkuc ups. Give me better 401K's or some profit sharing but you can keep that retirement BS.
 
crjskipper said:
Dont want to think this but the writing is on the wall - the 900s will come to us but SLC will close and SW will picj up all SLC 700 flying. DAL wants the 900 in ATL and ASA will most likely get them. But Jerry will prove his point since we dont have a combined rate and close SLC.

IMHO

Not if we vote it down, unless you can operate them with 70 seats. If you could, you would likely have to take major pay cuts to "help them achieve profitability." DAL may want the CR9, and may say "hey, we already have them coming...." but I would think we could easily get 50.1% to vote a TA down with that provision.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
gator_hater said:
Question for GL...will you vote yes for any TA? I'm beginning to think that if they returned you to 2003 pay rates you would not just say no but HELL NO.

I will vote YES to a TA that doesn't have scope erosion, stops the pay cuts and allows for eventual snap backs (the company already offered that, albeit small ones), and one that gives some credit for the pension they will dump--- in the form of new stock (NW was just offered $888 million in new stock) and a 15% monthly contribution to our DC plan (same as UAL). Sick leave must also be preserved. I'd probably vote yes on that.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
If you could, you would likely have to take major pay cuts to "help them achieve profitability."

General,
I hope you don't allow over 70 seats, but this is a typical BS management statement. We could fly them for free and loose money or charge double and be profitable. Good luck and I wish you all the best.
 
amcnd said:
Does ASA have a 71-99 seat rate? If the 900 come with 70 seats will you fly them for the 700 rate? (or does your payscale go buy weight?) what does ASA ALPA have to say about this?

Our pay rates are by seats not weight. We have no pay rate over 70 seats and we would fly the 900/705(same airplane) for the 70 seat rate cause that's how many seats it can have now. And if you believe like I do that the DAL pilots will not allow over 70 seats at DCI then thats the rate we will fly it for. Cause we and all the DAL pilots know that they F'd up years ago when they were too good to fly the 70 and they scoped it to the DCI carriers. They wouldn't want to F up that bad again would they General?
 
captain caveman said:
General,
I hope you don't allow over 70 seats, but this is a typical BS management statement. We could fly them for free and loose money or charge double and be profitable. Good luck and I wish you all the best.

I was just joking and stating what BL or JA would say to you. I too could work for free and our management would still blow the money on Simplifares. Then they leave with millions.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
GO AROUND said:
Our pay rates are by seats not weight. We have no pay rate over 70 seats and we would fly the 900/705(same airplane) for the 70 seat rate cause that's how many seats it can have now. And if you believe like I do that the DAL pilots will not allow over 70 seats at DCI then thats the rate we will fly it for. Cause we and all the DAL pilots know that they F'd up years ago when they were too good to fly the 70 and they scoped it to the DCI carriers. They wouldn't want to F up that bad again would they General?

I don't think we were "too good to fly the 70s." IF we could have put them on our property and hired more, we would have, in a heartbeat. It is always better to have more people below you on the seniority list, just ask our furloughed pilots. They would have loved more cushion. And, we scoped very little of it to DCI in the beginning--and that has grown during our recent givebacks. If we would have seen 9-11 coming (we would have told somebody first....) and then prepared better. Afterwards, we had to give up more 70s, and that was reluctantly. Once you give up a certain amount of seats, you will never get them back. That is why we are fighting now for anything over 70. Maybe we have learned.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
That's what I was saying, I think you guys learned and that's saying something. But don't tell me that there weren't a lot of DAL pilots that said they and their mil. buddies were too good to fly a CRJ. I heard it first hand a dozen times on my jumpseat and sitting on DAL jumpseats. "I don't want my buddy to have to fly a little RJ when they get on with DAL."

Hindsight is always 20/20. DAL pilots could have put them on property if they really wanted to, but back then it wasn't that important I guess. Now you guys are trying to keep the rest of the camels in the tent, huh?

What the heck am I doing up at this hour?
 
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Maybe the 900's will be config into 3 class, a first class, eco-plus and eco, 10 F/C, 10 EC+ and 50 EC.....kind of like on the SkyWest UAX 70 with the 3 glass....
 
Flyguy801 said:
Maybe the 900's will be config into 3 class, a first class, eco-plus and eco, 10 F/C, 10 EC+ and 50 EC.....kind of like on the SkyWest UAX 70 with the 3 glass....

Maybe it will have a couple shiny bathrooms you can poop in too? Dork.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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No - they will most likely be 10 or 12 in front and 60 or so in the back. Air Canada Jazz operates the 705 with 10 and 64, really roomy in the back. It would be like our 40 seaters. You could top off the fuel and carry full loads and fly for 4 hours. Seat pitch would be really nice, I think JAzz is 32 or 34 so it would be pretty comfy - even for a CRJ.
 
GO AROUND said:
.... don't tell me that there weren't a lot of DAL pilots that said they and their mil. buddies were too good to fly a CRJ. I heard it first hand a dozen times on my jumpseat and sitting on DAL jumpseats. "I don't want my buddy to have to fly a little RJ when they get on with DAL."

Hindsight is always 20/20. DAL pilots could have put them on property if they really wanted to, but back then it wasn't that important I guess. Now you guys are trying to keep the rest of the camels in the tent, huh?
You are exactly right. This is the reason for the codeshare that allowed us to exist and for the failed onelist proposal. Even now the Delta (and other mainline) pilots don't want to fly RJ's, as they are still percieved to be "beneath" their status in life. Even Northwest decided to run their RJ's under Compass Airlines.

The dark cloud in all of this is that the mainline guys are happy to "steal" Mesaba pilot jobs and put them on the street while Northwest pilots ramp up to perform the same flying for less money.

General does not seem to realize that getting what he want will not result in his being a "Delta" Captain any sooner than is the current situation and could delay his ascension. He is worried that the arbitrators that his union picked, and agreed to, might rule against him. In that case he won't play, not unless he gets exactly what he wants, now.

When all of the bravado that the MEC has stirred up dies out and the Delta pilots have to face the reality of the situation there is going to be one hell of a hang over. Delta is not in the shape Northwest, or UAL are. There is not going to be an upgrade and a stock deal for you General, not unless Delta's financial performance improves - and - Delta is going to need both yours and our help in making that happen. General - even if it is all about YOU, you still need us.
 
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General Lee said:
Yes, but they could have more seats IF we agreed, which would make them even more profitable. I doubt we would vote for that. And, I think SkyWest flies CR7s with first class and a total of 66 seats for United. ASA and SkyWest could do that with any NEW CR7s too.

I would rather us get some new E190s or 100 seaters, you guys get more 70 seaters, and then we eventually hire again after our furloughs come back, and hire ASA and CHQ guys exclusively.


Bye Bye--General Lee


What about military guys?
 

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